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[Darvi]

Actually, they do.

It's just that nobody has yet figured out what it does. Or been paying attention to previous strips, for the matter.

No, John created the kids for both sessions.

As well as, I guess, a divergent version of Maplehoof and 2 of Liv.

But... He only made one set of kids. We all saw it.

Have you noticed the update yet? You'll find it rather enlightening.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Have you noticed the update yet? You'll find it rather enlightening.

I did, but I guess I'm missing something. You're saying when Skaia changed the destination of the portals, it also Schrodinger's cat'ed the kids? Or something?

[GlyphGryph]

It sent them to both, yes. First it sent them back to their own session and then, post scratch, it never did it all.

In the new session they'll still have to create them themselves and send them back to make it internally stable, so once they've done that the kids weren't sent by the original session at all.

But something had to force that new loop to happen, which is what the scratch did.

[zchris13]

Yes. QUANTUM. It used QUANTUM.

[Darvi]

I did, but I guess I'm missing something. You're saying when Skaia changed the destination of the portals, it also Schrodinger's cat'ed the kids? Or something?

Yes.

Actually, it retroactively made it so John et al. were the "ancestors", but since they were outside the session there were effectively two of each running around. Point in case: there are 3 bunnys post-scratch. One of them Dave bought and got made into Sebastian. The other two came with Rose and Jade and are effectively the same thing as Liv Tyler.

In the new session they'll still have to create them themselves and send them back to make it internally stable, so once they've done that the kids weren't sent by the original session at all.

Wrong. Case in point: pre-scratch troll session.

[GlyphGryph]

Darvi, I don't know what you're talking about. Do you have any evidence the prescratch troll session didn't work the same way?

Karkat after all did send their own troll selves back to make their own scratched session internally stable. That only support my point.

[zchris13]

Darvi, I don't know what you're talking about. Do you have any evidence the prescratch troll session didn't work the same way?

Karkat after all did send their own troll selves back to make their own scratched session internally stable. That only support my point.

Yes. Doc Scratch said something about it.

[Darvi]

Yes. Scratch said that they never had an ectobiological session.

Gog, it's like I'm the only one paying attention to shit.

Darvi, I don't know what you're talking about. Do you have any evidence the prescratch troll session didn't work the same way?

Karkat after all did send their own troll selves back to make their own scratched session internally stable. That only support my point.

Yes. Doc Scratch said something about it.

HUZZAH!

[GlyphGryph]

Except they we just discovered that the scratch WORKS by sending things babies in time to different times.

Scratching only controls the portals.

If Doc Scratch was telling the truth about the pre-scratch trolls not doing anything ectobiological, WHAT DID THEY SEND BACK TO CHANGE EVERYTHING!?

Thats the big question.

My theory only requires players internalize whatever that loop was, not that the loop stabilization needs to be babies. But whatever the pre-scratch trolls sent back in time, the post scratch trolls eventually did the same thing. To stabilize the loop, and make it its own session.

[Darvi]

Except they we just discovered that the scratch WORKS by sending things babies in time to different times.

Scratching only controls the portals.

If Doc Scratch was telling the truth about the pre-scratch trolls not doing anything ectobiological, WHAT DID THEY SEND BACK TO CHANGE EVERYTHING!?

Nothing. That's part of the glitch.

[GlyphGryph]

I don't think so. You see, I think they sent back one of their players.

A young girl, with a lot of ambition, and every intent on someday becoming empress.

Karkat stabilized her loop with his ectobiology, to a certain extent, but the prior knowledge means things were never quite severed properly - hence the Sufferer's revelation.

Of course... The Summoner could fly with his wings...

If the prescratch trolls didn't send back the babies, maybe... maybe they sent back /themselves/

Still doesn't change the fact the new post-scratch world needs to get itself situated as a stable time loop, hence the need for karkat to do ectobio of everyone. It just explains why it didn't quite stabilize properly with the ancestors, which we know is true. It couldn't quite sync.

[Darvi]

Even if that were true, that would change nothing.

The scratch flipped the out-portals, and the universe turned into one where the corresponding in-portals would be used by the grubs. Easy enough.

Actually, it would, as it meant that there were two condesces running around.

[Max White]

Wait... What are you on about with Liv Darvi?
1. Dave gets bunny and sends it to John.
2. Rose get's older bunny from step 3.
3. John gives bunny to Rose.
4. John gives older bunny to Jade.
5. Jade sends older bunny to Jake on John's birthday.
6. Jake manages to make robobunny.
7. Jake sends Robobunny to Jade to arrive on John birthday.
8. Blah blah, stuff with AR, then JS and finally PM before an annoyed PM gives robobunny to John.

All of this was clear before the latest update.

[Darvi]

First sentence and already a mistake.

You're forgetting Jane's bunnies, too. Which is what I'm talking about.

[GlyphGryph]

Darvi, what about that would make two condesces running around?