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[Diablous]

But... but... but...

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That sound you just heard? That was the sound of my pancreas screaming "I quit!" and leaving my body in search of one that won't work it to death. That is so cute. Damn it, Gamzee, why did you have to kill them?

[Karnewarrior]

Damn it, Gamzee, why did you have to kill them?

Because Hussie said so.

And Hussie was ordered to do that by Satan.

Who is commanded by Harry Potter.

Who is advised by me.

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[Solifuge]

I don't care how cute she's acting now, I don't trust her or like her.  She killed her friends, maimed them, etc., etc.  I feel like Hussie is sort of making excuses.  She did things recently which, for me, place her in the entirely irredeemable pile.

It's not a matter of Vriska "being cute" all of the sudden. I'm rooting for her because, out of a cast of characters who have mostly served as vehicles to tell jokes, she's taken decisive action in the plot and has developed a lot as a character. It probably doesn't help that she's a misguided but well-intentioned trickster, which is among my favorite heroic archetypes.

I agree that she's done absolutely reprehensible things through the story, but as opposed to the cardboard cutout villainy of Jack or Eridan (I am homicidal because I have been programmed to hate/lack self esteem, respectively), she means well by it, has shown regret for her actions several times, and when confronted with the reality of her past seeks to change tack. She's competent and badassed, but instead of the godlike untouchability of Dave, she has been known to trip up and pay for it (in lost trust, friendship, and even lives).

Vriska is a dynamic character who manages to simultaneously be funny and terrifying, and sympathetic while reprehensible. I certainly don't think she's trustworthy (not unless she proved her intentions with some appropriate actions), but she's definitely one of the most self-aware characters in the cast, and surpasses John in having come the farthest as a character.

To conclude my Spiderspiel, I don't think anyone is beyond redemption so long as they are aware of the gravity of their past actions, and honestly work to change their ways.

[Vector]

I suppose the difference between us is that I never found Vriska in the least bit funny or sympathetic.

[applesauce machine]

No because Darvi isn't an imaginary comic book character.

Or am I...?

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[Duke 2.0]

 I think Vriska has a chance for redemption because of how she grew up. Troll culture has no sympathy for the lives of the weak, a highblood troll is expected to blaze through life with no concern for anybody else. She was expected to grow up like Mindfang, manipulating others and killing off those who got in her way for the entertainment value. Her musings even hinted that the game itself was playing by these rules, showing a huge influence for her to be Bluh Bluh everywhere all the time. But she cares about her companions and feels remorse about everything that has happened. She doesn't embrace the life she was given and doesn't know where to go. Considering that there was no support for this other than the kids and she still wants to go against her upbringing I would see her redeemed.

 She could also die from the vices she has, which would leave a wonderfully tragic taste to the story. It seems to be the present course of action, but I'm still holding onto the chance that she makes things right in her life for once.

[Acanthus117]

I'm all for a tragic death/redemption death for Ms. Serket, which would be wonderfully melancholy since I have this tenuous love/hate relationship with aformentioned troll (SHE KILLED TAVROS/Oh wow her life sucked).

Besides, I do have to agree with Vector that in my mind, she's past redeeming herself and living, anyhoo.

[Solifuge]

Vriska... manages to simultaneously be funny and terrifying, and sympathetic while reprehensible.

Duke, you pretty much hit the sympathetic/redemption note for me. Also consider that, through just the circumstances of her birth, her only caretaker and family happened to be a flesh-eating monster. Out of a mix of love and necessity, she was forced to grow up committing homicide; the alternative is that she kill her "mother" and herself through inaction. Considering the expectations put on her through her childhood and upbringing, and a basic desire to survive and be successful, it's pretty cool that she was able to step beyond that, or even feel remorse at all.

Also, in regard to the funny bit, she's definitely had moments of wit. That aside, I hope I'm not the only one who sees threatening someone with their own severed legs with a certain dark humor (P.S. considering it's Tavros we're talking about, there's a pun there).

[FuzzyZergling]

Personally, I think it's wrong for her to be feeling bad about killing Tavros.
She has rich cultural values of her own, she shouldn't be throwing them away for human values!

[Vector]

It was around when she started shaking him in his wheelchair that I lost any desire to relate to her or see her happy.

[Diablous]

That aside, I hope I'm not the only one who sees threatening someone with their own severed legs with a certain dark humor (P.S. considering it's Tavros we're talking about, there's a pun there).

You aren't the only one. I still find that scene hilarious.

Soli, you're line about how you think no one is beyond redemption best sums up how I feel about this. I honestly think that anyone can be redeemed, as long as they want to change for the better, and I want Vriska to live so she can have a chance to redeem herself.

[Jim Groovester]

It was around when she started shaking him in his wheelchair that I lost any desire to relate to her or see her happy.

Really?

I thought that was one of her finest moments.

[Soadreqm]

Good to see everyone's still talking about my second favorite midnight murderlady, because I drew fan art of her.



Yes, I am aware that she only got the robot arm when she lost her vision eightfold, but whatever. It looks cool.

Anyway, I still maintain that Vriska is badass. She's a hero in the traditional Greek sense of being capable of epic feats of violence. Maybe if Tavros didn't want to get crippled, he should have put up a less pitiable defense against Vriska's mind control.

[Duke 2.0]

Maybe if Tavros didn't want to get crippled, he should have put up a less pitiable defense against Vriska's mind control.

 This was always a constant problem, and it's sorta why I can see Vector not seeing any redeemable value to Vriska. This argument came up when both characters first appeared, and it's still around now. It's just as infuriatingly retarded as it always was.

 But them I have to remember that her fans are far worse than she ever was.

[Ochita]

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Oh god nepeta's face.
The loathing.