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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6720 on: August 26, 2010, 09:31:21 am »

Actually, I think the exposition dump labeled Jack Noir and the Black Queen as kismesis from a troll's point of view. I don't think romance of any sort or variety exists in Derse or Prospit cultures.
Quote from: Romance exposition dump
For instance, human players would never be able to adequately diagnose the relationship between the queen and her archagent. But troll players could immediately place it as a dead ringer for kismesissitude. They would think we were all pretty stupid for not getting it. And they would be right.
1) Humans can't understand the relationship between SS and BQ
2) Trolls instantly recognize it as kismesissitude
3) Trolls think humans are pretty stupid for not getting it
4) Trolls are right, humans are stupid

Now, the narrator voice does not actually state that they are kismeses, but it is VERY STRONGLY IMPLIED.
I dunno, this list seems to be more of what you are saying based off of what you remember Andrew saying. Unless #4 was supposed to be a joke, in which case WHOOPS ACCIDENTAL INTERNET FORUM DRAMA.
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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6721 on: August 26, 2010, 10:38:22 am »

Quote from: Romance exposition dump
For instance, human players would never be able to adequately diagnose the relationship between the queen and her archagent. But troll players could immediately place it as a dead ringer for kismesissitude. They would think we were all pretty stupid for not getting it. And they would be right.
1) Humans can't understand the relationship between SS and BQ
2) Trolls instantly recognize it as kismesissitude
3) Trolls think humans are pretty stupid for not getting it
4) Trolls are right, humans are stupid

Now, the narrator voice does not actually state that they are kismeses, but it is VERY STRONGLY IMPLIED.
I dunno, this list seems to be more of what you are saying based off of what you remember Andrew saying. Unless #4 was supposed to be a joke, in which case WHOOPS ACCIDENTAL INTERNET FORUM DRAMA.
Really? Because I was pretty much just rephrasing what Andrew said in the paragraph of romance exposition dump I quoted. I did mention that it was a quote, right? Wait, are you joking? I can't tell with no smiley faces to give direction. Anyway, here's the same quote, with the list I wrote shuffled in it. And added bonus commentary. At this rate, I'll have nothing left for the DVD release of this thread.
Quote from: Romance exposition dump
For instance, human players would never be able to adequately diagnose the relationship between the queen and her archagent.
1) Humans can't understand the relationship between SS and BQ
There really aren't many ways this can be interpreted. Humans, FOR REASONS AS YET UNSPECIFIED, cannot grasp the true form of the hate between the Black Queen and archagent Jack Noir.

Quote from: Romance exposition dump
But troll players could immediately place it as a dead ringer for kismesissitude.
2) Trolls instantly recognize it as kismesissitude
Trolls, however, have something humans lack. They instantly diagnose the relationship as one of KISMESISSITUDE, a form of troll romance. Could this be why humans got it wrong? They cannot understand the relationship because they lack the concept of kismesissitude, with the implication that trolls are correct about this? It is ultimately left unstated, shrouded in mystery, only implied rather than exposed.

Quote from: Romance exposition dump
They would think we were all pretty stupid for not getting it.
3) Trolls think humans are pretty stupid for not getting it
The trolls look down on humans and their SIMPLE, LINEAR ROMANCE. The humans just don't understand the subtle emotions of bilateral hatred at play here.

Quote from: Romance exposition dump
And they would be right.
4) Trolls are right, humans are stupid
The narrator agrees with the trolls' assessment human mental capacity, further implying that the trolls were correct about the relationship between the queen and the agent. Of course, the "they would be right" could also refer to trolls' relationship diagnosis itself.
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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6722 on: August 26, 2010, 10:53:12 am »

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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6723 on: August 26, 2010, 10:59:52 am »

 Considering the pretentiousness of the narrator, I don't think we can take Troll Andrew as a valid source of everything. Hell, I'm betting this whole discussion is just a result of Andrew trying to not-troll us. Kinda.

 Still, none of those reasons seem solid enough to warrant Foe Yay between the two characters. They all bank on Troll Andrew being either sane enough to tell the truth the whole time or is humble enough to admit that humans can understand the relationship.
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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6724 on: August 26, 2010, 11:23:30 am »

Well, I admit that not taking everything Troll Andrew says at face value is an ENTIRELY REASONABLE reading strategy. :P

I'm still going to ship them, though. For what it's worth. I don't think they're even capable of reproduction. The Queen was spawned by Sburb and Jack grew in a vat on the Veil.
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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6725 on: August 26, 2010, 12:41:51 pm »

e.e

It's a friggin' comic. Not only that, a blatantly satirical one.

MSPA IZ NOT SRS BZNZ.

That is all.

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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6726 on: August 26, 2010, 01:51:08 pm »

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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6727 on: August 26, 2010, 02:15:31 pm »

Trolls are Alien.

And so is their culture.

Why can't people get that? Your assumptions do not apply. The troll relationships are NOT other names for things humans have, they are different from anything we could imagine. Likewise, there is no reason what so ever to believe trolls mature at all at the same speed or order that humans do, considering they have pupas and so on it seems far more likely that they emerge from those physically adult. Insert responses to all the other stuff people said that was based of baseless assumptions that apply only to humans here.
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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6728 on: August 26, 2010, 02:18:27 pm »

The troll relationships are NOT other names for things humans have, they are different from anything we could imagine.

What makes you think this?
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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6729 on: August 26, 2010, 02:19:59 pm »

The troll relationships are NOT other names for things humans have, they are different from anything we could imagine.
What makes you think this?
And considering a human thought them up, it's not too far to say the trolls are just pretentious and Troll Hussie does a good job of reflecting that.
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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6730 on: August 26, 2010, 02:23:11 pm »

I was going to say: lying narrators out the ass, man.
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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6731 on: August 26, 2010, 02:28:08 pm »

e.e

It's a friggin' comic. Not only that, a blatantly satirical one.

MSPA IZ NOT SRS BZNZ.

That is all.
Serious business?

Serious business?

I am not taking this seriously, okay?
I AM NOT TAKING THIS FUCKING SERIOUSLY! FUCK YOU! AND TYPE YOUR WORDS OUT PROPERLY YOU ILLITERATE TROLL! IF I EVER SEE YOU ON WIKIPEDIA, I'M GOING TO REVERT EVERYTHING YOU TYPE! D:<

On a more serious note, oh my troll Jegus this has to be the best thing ever.
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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6733 on: August 26, 2010, 03:08:17 pm »

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Re: MSPA: Trolls, Taste the Double Rainbow
« Reply #6734 on: August 26, 2010, 03:29:34 pm »

Trolls are Alien.
Actually, they aren't. At least, not mentally. Sure, they are very different from humans in many ways... but that doesn't change the fact that they act human in every way. Their relationships can be explained perfectly well with nothing but human terms.

Yes, you can't apply human logic to a completely alien mind... but the trolls minds are suspiciously human to begin with. Whether this will be a plot point later or will simply be ignored(like so many other far-too-human "aliens") is yet to be seen. My money's on plot point though.
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