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[Rolan7]

Wouldn't that mean John's doomed, though?
Or does the retcon majicks fix that

[Darkmere]

It's not exactly entirely doomed; John and Roxy (and Jasprose and the migrant Davesprite?) are from that timeline and they are now alpha. General!Tavros is from that timeline, and in the scheme of fighting LE, he is now also alpha. John couldn't get his powers without that timeline, Roxy made the matriorb because she had practice with John, and Tavros finally got fed up enough to gather the army on his own because of those events.

I kinda think the retcon powers are a loophole that Paradox Space is cultivating to get around LE's tinkering with things, by giving John the same ability to tinker with things, then healing itself into the alpha timeline where this group of players has to cauterize the wounds LE is making into a bundle of doomed timelines, then allowing the players to escape that bundle.

Doing so seems like a larger-scale version of Aranea's original plan... taking the useful parts of doomed timelines and nurturing them into a strong, combined alpha. She made it all about her, which was incorrect and cost her everything. The rest, including the dreambubble army, are fighting for the right cause, so they are relevant and alpha to the grand plot of the comic. This ties in with what Dirk said about no version of any character being less important than any other... Dave wouldn't have been angry enough to call out Dirk if Bro hadn't been such an ass raising him, so Bro continued to be an important plot mover long after his death. Dreambubble army presumably works the same way... you have a huge pile of pretty badass players, many of whom have godtier-level abilities, that have been cultivated through hardship and soul-searching to fight this fight on their terms. All of them are fighting LE... all of them from all those "doomed" timelines are relevant and important. As the comic goes, they are alpha and critical to the final victory over LE as far as we know.

I'm going to take a break from shitposting textwalls now.

[Trapezohedron]

That's... really sound. Hope Hussie doesn't turn everything over just because :/

[Rose]

I'm confused about what just happened.

[Arcvasti]

I'm confused about what just happened.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Terezi used Mind powerz to look into their altself's memories in the doomed timeline of GAMEOVER. Meanwhile, the Terezi in that timeline who died, as well as punk!Vriska, met up in the Furthest Ring after reminiscing about their childhoods and initiated cuddles.

[hops]

Retcon makes thing 'canon'. The Game Over timeline was the alpha timeline, but then John turned it into a doomed timeline. The stuffs he brought from the doomed timeline also became canon by proxy of retcon equinemanure.
I don't see how that is confusing.

[Putnam]

It was always doomed, it's just that retjohn happened to come from there, making it important in the grand scheme of things, much like Davesprite.

[flabort]

It was always doomed, it's just that retjohn happened to come from there, making it important in the grand scheme of things, much like Davesprite.

Ah.
A nice, simple explanation that makes everything make sense all of a sudden.

Is this why they call you the local homestuck guru?

[Putnam]

do they

[Arcvasti]

Retcon makes thing 'canon'. The Game Over timeline was the alpha timeline, but then John turned it into a doomed timeline. The stuffs he brought from the doomed timeline also became canon by proxy of retcon equinemanure.
I don't see how that is confusing.

The Alpha Timeline is the one with Lord English in it, because of his unconditional immortality. The Game Over timeline couldn't have been the alpha timeline because everyone but John, Roxy and Dirk died. Lord English was created from Lil Cal with Caliborn's soul in it, which was created when all the alpha and beta kids + ARquiussprite put his soul in it during a climactic battle in which Jake was a pivotal contribute. If Jake dies, then Caliborn never gets his soul stuck in Lil Cal, which means no Lord English. Therefore GAME OVER timeline was NEVER the Alpha timeline.

[flabort]

I'm no Putnam,

E: I defer to Putnam's superior Homestuckness

Mind. BLOWN.

And I was going to grab a quote of someone saying "someone get putnam on this", but I couldn't find it. I may have imagined it.

[Putnam]

Retcon makes thing 'canon'. The Game Over timeline was the alpha timeline, but then John turned it into a doomed timeline. The stuffs he brought from the doomed timeline also became canon by proxy of retcon equinemanure.
I don't see how that is confusing.

The Alpha Timeline is the one with Lord English in it, because of his unconditional immortality. The Game Over timeline couldn't have been the alpha timeline because everyone but John, Roxy and Dirk died. Lord English was created from Lil Cal with Caliborn's soul in it, which was created when all the alpha and beta kids + ARquiussprite put his soul in it during a climactic battle in which Jake was a pivotal contribute. If Jake dies, then Caliborn never gets his soul stuck in Lil Cal, which means no Lord English. Therefore GAME OVER timeline was NEVER the Alpha timeline.

Well, that and the fact that Caliborn was born in the universe created by the B2 session.

[Arcvasti]

Retcon makes thing 'canon'. The Game Over timeline was the alpha timeline, but then John turned it into a doomed timeline. The stuffs he brought from the doomed timeline also became canon by proxy of retcon equinemanure.
I don't see how that is confusing.

The Alpha Timeline is the one with Lord English in it, because of his unconditional immortality. The Game Over timeline couldn't have been the alpha timeline because everyone but John, Roxy and Dirk died. Lord English was created from Lil Cal with Caliborn's soul in it, which was created when all the alpha and beta kids + ARquiussprite put his soul in it during a climactic battle in which Jake was a pivotal contribute. If Jake dies, then Caliborn never gets his soul stuck in Lil Cal, which means no Lord English. Therefore GAME OVER timeline was NEVER the Alpha timeline.

Well, that and the fact that Caliborn was born in the universe created by the B2 session.

Oh yeah, I knew there was an easier linkage there somewhere. Bluh. Too late at night.

[flabort]

Wait.
So the "Beta Trolls" in Universe 0 create Universe 1.
Universe 1 contains two notable sessions.
The first is one that sends an "unbeatable boss" back into the Beta Troll's session.
The second is the one that creates Universe 2.
Universe 2 contains (so far) one notable session, the one that creates Calliborn the "other unbeatable boss" and sends him back into Universe 1, and back further into Universe 0.

I think that's a pattern (based on two data points). Each universe created will contain a boss that the residents of a session could not handle, which will spill out into the session that created it. The session which creates the boss will inevitably fail, but there will be other sessions in the same universe which will succeed.

Y/N?

[Darkmere]

Lord English is behind all of it, presumably. There's only one villain. Bec Noir was engineered through Vriska via Doc Scratch... aka LE's host. There were hints that Damara was pushed over the edge by someone or something... probably Kurloz who is directly working for LE.