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[penguinofhonor]

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[Putnam]

That's not how it works, either. More likely she's not telling anyone any of it because the plan she has is based around what she saw in the future and they don't need to know that or Karkat will throw a shitfit.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Sergarr]

The update about the combat roles is here.

Spoiler: combat roles analysis (click to show/hide)

3 humans to fight frikking Condense. Only 3. What the fuck.

P.S. This plan is bound to fail. It literally cannot succeed without a motherfucking miracle.

[frostshotgg]

Gamzee isn't dead m8.

[Sergarr]

He's not on the side that needs that miracle, so it doesn't matter.

[Elephant Parade]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This explains why Arquiusprite attacked Lord Englush, I guess.

[frostshotgg]

You said a motherfucking miracle. That's kinda gamzee's thing. One will happen.

[Bauglir]

It can work that way, I think. If you screw with actions in the past in a way that breaks the alpha timeline's continuity, it creates a doomed timeline. Like Terezi telling John to get himself killed by Typheus. If Vriska sufficiently screwed with the party right now (like saying "don't fight this Jack, he'll kill you") then it would similarly create a doomed timeline.

I think you've gravely misunderstood how time travel in Homestuck tends to work out. If you screw with the past, it creates a doomed timeline, except when it doesn't because it creates the alpha timeline out of a doomed one. There absolutely no reason not to try and minmax your timelines, because you have no way of knowing whether or not what you do or don't do contributes to the alpha timeline. If the alpha is the one in which you returned with foreknowledge of the battle, there you go! And if it wasn't, keeping your damn mouth shut won't change anything unless the alpha timeline is the one in which you kept your mouth shut despite knowing how to fix everything.

Time travel in Homestuck operates on narrative principles, not causality ones.

[Darkmere]

P.S. This plan is bound to fail.

Of course it will fail. The fact that we know it means it will fail... as stated. BUT... we know the grand goal succeeds - somehow.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

All 8 humans are alive in the future to make Lil' Cal.

Gamzee makes it to earth and raises the Cherubim - someone has to get him there.

The human society to create ruins on Earth is... human... so it seems likely the Condesce will fail in her original intent.

Vriska only understands force... Odds are incredibly high that what makes this plan actually work is NOT force. Spades is only after a single target... No one needs to fight him. Dogfight are completely loyal to the one target they've been assigned.

The two critical targets here are the Condesce and Union Jack... if Condie is too busy to grimbark Jade, Jade has three beings with the power of the Green Sun and the ability to teleport right to Union Jack.

John is one of the heaviest hitters in the comic, possibly definitely up there with Vriska, and both he and Roxy can teleport. We've only seen one aspect of Roxy's power so far, but there's no telling what she's learned to Void on the trip over... potentially could even be the some of Condie's powers.

I do expect something like this on arrival:
Spades Slick: Where's English?
Jake: ... I'm English?
SS: Bullshit. Where's the REAL English?
Jake:

The only thing Karkat and Kanaya have done before was... breed frogs. Could be a second chance coming up here?

[Rolan7]

Okay Vriska is definitely hurling all this abuse at Jake to unlock some inner power.  It's too deliberate.  She only put this much effort into "ignoring" someone when she was trying to train Tavros.  Also, I'm extra-sure that Tavros is going to prototype with Robo Jack now.  Gonna call that Davrosprite.

I can't believe I didn't think of it earlier, but it makes perfect sense to only send humans against the Condesce.  All the trolls can probably be mind controlled except Vriska, and she theoretically could be wrong/bluffing about that.  Although, I'm a bit surprised that Karkat won't be striking a blow against the hemocaste Sufferer-style...  Maybe the Karkat-Kanaya plan has something to do with that, somehow.  Not sure what their part is going to be otherwise.  Fakedit:  Darkmere has a good point, could be frogbreeding.  But... now?

I still like the idea of Rosesprite hobbling the Condesce by prototyping with her, though I'm not sure how she's supposed to move the windows around without prototyping with them first.

Jaspersprite is just a joke of course, right?  Too easy, I bet he distracts GCAT to help shut down that aspect of the Condesce's arsenal.

This is actually looking fairly survivable.  When Jade wakes up the Condesce will be confounded by John's incorporeal wind powers and Rose's prescient tactics.  She might be prototyped with Rosesprite, and Tavros might have the power to weaken HIC's distracted control of Jade's Beq half sufficiently.  Though he might be a bit renegade if he's merged with Robo Jack.

Haha ohgod what if Davrosprite's newfound confidence causes him to immediately focus on his failed quadrant endeavors.  <3 Jade, auspice the dogs, kismesis Vriska, and moirail Gamzee.  When none of them want that, but they suddenly have to deal with it because he's suddenly not a pushover.
This is probably insane.

I do bet Jade and/or Davrosprite will auspice for Dog Jack and PM, blindsiding everybody by using that silly 4th quadrant nobody remembers.  At which point they'd both be inclined to protect Jade, with more success than last time.

Dave's finally going to get that tragic heroic death, and Dirk will have to see it.  Being a Strider is suffering.

I don't think Vriska explained what she'll be doing during all this, beyond coordinating...  Maybe trying to gank the killing blow on HIC or Lord Jack, but probably something completely out of left field.

Edit: Oop, meant to say a lot of this makes sense.

[Bauglir]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I do expect something like this on arrival:
Spades Slick: Where's English?
Jake: ... I'm English?
SS: Bullshit. Where's the REAL English?
Jake:

Fuck, that is almost guaranteed to happen, isn't it?

[Graknorke]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I do expect something like this on arrival:
Spades Slick: Where's English?
Jake: ... I'm English?
SS: Bullshit. Where's the REAL English?
Jake:

Fuck, that is almost guaranteed to happen, isn't it?

Yes. It will be wonderful.

But overall with that conflict there is no way that the Banana Weenie is going to do any actual killing. Probably just end up having a conversation instead.

[Cerol Lenslens]

I still like the idea of Rosesprite hobbling the Condesce by prototyping with her, though I'm not sure how she's supposed to move the windows around without prototyping with them first.

Roseprite shouldn't have any trouble moving the windows. Sprites appear to have telekinesis, as seen here.

[Bauglir]

Moreover, we do know that single-prototyped sprites can touch things. Vriska's just being silly.