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[Sergarr]

I see the problem with "expendable/defensive squads". Namely, there aren't enough people around to do that. Like, really really not enough.

12prototypes!Black King took 12 trolls in full war equipment to take down. There aren't 12 trolls here. All they have right now is 3(Alpha)+3(Beta)+4(Trolls)+3(Sprites w/ Arquius) = 13 total bodies, and not all of them are on war-troll level. They can get +1 (Dirk) if they wait, but there are still not enough people to really split the party.

They absolutely either need to focus fire their opponents one by one, or they need some additional reinforcements a la Aradiabot army.


Speaking of Aradia, she's still alive and in the Furthest Ring... and she has the Weapon... hmmm.

[Cerol Lenslens]

I can't wait for Rosesprite to prototype herself with the Condesce and go glamdark.

[Sergarr]

In general, I feel that Vriska's plan is reliant on enemies being dumb MMO bosses and not doing one of the following things:
1) Listening in on their plan.
2) Targeting the healer first.
3) Destroying the teleportation windows.

Or, in HIC's case:

4) Putting everyone to sleep/mind control.

I think that combat is not going to work out here very well.

[Rolan7]

I can't wait for Rosesprite to prototype herself with the Condesce and go glamdark.

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Damn, this seems super likely all of a sudden.  It would even mirror Fefetasprite in a weird way.  And...  Tavrosprite prototyping with an enemy would be an amazing way for him to suddenly help out a ton.  Hell, maybe that's Vriska's plan?  Have Tavros merge with Robojack (Tavros has experience being cybernetic!) *then* commune with Dog Jack?  While Rosesprite distracts the Condescension by prototyping with her.

Of course it's hard to say how HIC+Rose and RoboJack+Tavros would actually behave.  I'm guessing "Villainous yet sufficiently distracted" and "A confident powerhouse partially on the hero side".  Dog-Jack is loyal to Jade, after all.  Maybe...  Wow I'm probably really reaching here, but...  Vriska/Tavros really should have been kismesis from the start, Tavros was just incapable of hate.  But now he'd be merged with the comic's most iconic kismesis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-d0x5IUgvg

And Jake has the power to neutralize LE-Jack, if he only believes in himself.  Maybe Aranea doesn't mess up this time?  Or John's support unlocks his power...  Or more likely someone dies, like Dirk.

Wow that got away from me.  I'm putting my boonbucks on the first paragraph being true, the rest is maybe wishful thinking.
And even if some things actually happen this way, I'm kinda skeptical that Vriska's planning them...  Seems just as likely that she really is trying to overpower the bosses and doesn't value the pages' powers.  But she literally used Tavros for his power before, right after losing an arm and an eye, so this might just be a misdirection.  Perhaps she suspects they're being watched, so she's putting the pieces in the right places while shouting a wrong reason.  Maybe she's keeping Karkat occupied so he doesn't loudly remember something like Tavros or Jade's interactions with Dog-Jack.

[Darkmere]

Vriska is crap at planning anything. Her strategy since the comic started has always been brute force - punch it hard enough long enough and hope whatever you're hitting goes down before you do. (Aradia doesn't want to play? Kill her. Terezi ratted me to Scratch? Blind her. Black King? Force crits. Bec Noir? Charge right at him without considering any other consequences. Need a map in the Furthest Ring? Let Aranea mind control a legion of dead friends.) Doc Scratch was right, she's violent and predictable like an insect.

But this time she doesn't have any actual facts about what's going on here, and is guessing about everything, so the fight isn't as dire as she thinks. Spades has all of the Felt with him and given half a chance will sic every single one of them on Union Jack. The dog fight may not even notice anything else is going on if Jade is actually kept hidden from them (There's basically no way this will happen, though). Really, HIC is the biggest threat in the fight because she can toss around planets and in a bad tantrum can ruin the session, but no one knows that. Pretty sure "go punch her a lot" isn't going to work, but we'll see.

For that matter Dirk can almost solo any of these threats with the soul-ripping attack provided he gets the drop on his target. Vriska just thinks he's "pretty good with a sword" and no one else even knows what he can do (This Roxy was asleep at the time he did that). All these plans are just a refresher of the situation and everyone's basic abilities before the fight happens and everything goes to hell immediately.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Sergarr]

She's not guessing, though. She's time traveled to the future and has seen at least some of this fight or the outcome.

What makes you say that she traveled to the future?

She's not a time player, I don't think she would risk fucking up with time against the frikking LORD OF TIME.

[Darkmere]

I don't think she's been to the future per se. I think she's got some kind of insider information that let her use Aradia's timetables to fix all the shit Gamzee would have done to fuck everything up.

Completely random guess is that she has a doomed Muse helping her get things right in the grand scheme and the smaller stuff needs to be handled by the team's Seers as it comes up. The battle plans are probably just rigging everything up to a good starting position before Tz and LightlondeX2 Combo take over and Vriska bows out to take care of something else.

[Sergarr]

I don't think the Seers powers are going to be working properly in this battle.

The obvious hint has already been here - the appearance of Rosesprite out of nowhere has 100% blindsided Rose.

[Graknorke]

Rose can only see what leads to a fortuitous outcome. Rose being prototyped is entirely inconsequential on whatever Paradox Space defines as fortuitous.

Which itself might end up being a plot point, but in itself doesn't show issues with Rose's powers.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Putnam]

Also, she was very clearly seen with Aradia's timegraphs in place of Gamzee in the Vriskagram flash.

[Darkmere]

If she'd known how the fight played out exactly she wouldn't be so cagey about Spades or completely blank about the Condesce. I'm still betting my nonexistent boondollars that she has intel and enough insight to get this setup of this timeline to this point, plus enough vague details on the future to know Gamzee has something to do with it and the eventual goal is Earth in universe C.

Whatever happens next could be beyond her sight... and the best way to do that is probably Void. There are two void players present who both make it to the future showdown with English, and something happened to shield part of this session from Calliope's snooping. Whether that is the trap for English (meaning Caliborn's session overrode the blackout) or something else (probably more important, like pulling the B1 kids out of that homestuck juju?) is up for debate.

For that matter it could all be predestination and the timetables only took her where she already had to be, and that location isn't right here for this fight. P-space feels like it's trying to correct itself in lieu of John's time shenanigans to override LE's loophole shenanigans.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Graknorke]

Doomed timelines do not work that way. Every single instance of time travel we've seen implies that the situation you described is not possible.