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[Putnam]

Also note: the Mirthful Messiahs are Doc Scratch and Lord English.

Gamzee, at one point, realized that the Mirthful Messiahs are "both me AND ALSO MOTHERFUCKIN ME"

which he is entirely correct about.

[Sergarr]

I assume that's Gamzee's bad side.

As made quite obvious by LE's Vast Honk being all caps.

I wonder if the good half of Gamzee is going to be crucial to the further plot.

[Graknorke]

Wait when did Gamzee go in to anything? I feel like I've overlooked something obvious.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/ACT6ACT6.php?s=6&p=009342

That purple thing on the ground is a half of Gamzee.

Ah, looking back it must have happened during the fracas.

Wait so this means that the "Most important character in Homestuck" quote means that it's the same answer either way?
Oh Hussie this is such bullshit.

[Graknorke]

-DISREGARD DOUBLE POST-

[Rolan7]

Wait so this means that the "Most important character in Homestuck" quote means that it's the same answer either way?
Oh Hussie this is such bullshit.

Ahahaha I love this comic!

[Teneb]

Gamzee isn't immortal, though. He's just an asshole who tends to be alive in the alpha timeline. His immortal is caused by the fact that he will become part of LE, if anything.

Of course, causality is usually cyclical in Homestuck.

Except, wasn't there only one Gamzee in the dream bubbles?  And I think Hussie explained that he never dies, even in doomed timelines.

One thing I'm still not following is why people are saying only half of Gamzee got sucked in.  Probably something obvious I overlooked.

He died in the retconned timeline. Of course, being retconned, it means he never died in the first place.

I wonder if the good half of Gamzee is going to be crucial to the further plot.

I doubt he has a good side, at least after he went murderous. Quieter side, maybe.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Putnam]

Deep down he's a softie

which one

every part of lord english is a pretty hard dude

[penguinofhonor]

.

[Rolan7]

Gamzee's got a duality thing going on, *particularly* since going crazy.  His face was even the tragedy/comedy masks when he got cut in half (retconned away).  Pre-peak-sopor he was excessively passive (bard/comic), then he was briefly excessively angry (rage/tragedy).  Afterwards he was a deadly effective manipulator, using both smiles and intimidation for his ends.  A proper bard of rage.

I want to suggest that it's actually the creepily comic, bardic half in lil'Cal.  For one thing, the way Calsprite wouldn't stop laughing.  The way lil'Cal is creepy and amusing like sopor Gamzee, never violent like sobor Gamzee.

Yeah, LE uses all-caps.  Caliborn already does that.  Arquiusprite doesn't, so the Gamzee-half doesn't need to either.  Caliborn's the lord, he's in charge.

Caliborn has remarkable ability to boss people (well, puppets) around.  But LE is a master manipulator.  Much more a manipulator than a berserker.  I think his outbursts (which don't involve purple rage electricity, just the green electricity of green sun powers) are simply because he hates Calliope.  Whereas his manipulation powers are quite bardic.

Oh he also waves the wand like a conductor, not sure if that's reaching too far.  Just in case, let me reach far further:  Bard Quest, despite being around from the very beginning, has never actually ended.  Thus, LE's immortality comes from Gamzee's bardic half.

*drops puppet and walks off stage*

[Putnam]

I meant Gamzee, the part that isn't Lord English. The part that's a chill-ass stoner troll who loves his friends.

yes the chill-ass stoner dude who loves his friends and thus stabs them twice in the chest and throws them into lava smiling all the while

[technicallyAdventurer]

Gamzee's got a duality thing going on, *particularly* since going crazy.  His face was even the tragedy/comedy masks when he got cut in half (retconned away).  Pre-peak-sopor he was excessively passive (bard/comic), then he was briefly excessively angry (rage/tragedy).  Afterwards he was a deadly effective manipulator, using both smiles and intimidation for his ends.  A proper bard of rage.

I want to suggest that it's actually the creepily comic, bardic half in lil'Cal.  For one thing, the way Calsprite wouldn't stop laughing.  The way lil'Cal is creepy and amusing like sopor Gamzee, never violent like sobor Gamzee.

Yeah, LE uses all-caps.  Caliborn already does that.  Arquiusprite doesn't, so the Gamzee-half doesn't need to either.  Caliborn's the lord, he's in charge.

Caliborn has remarkable ability to boss people (well, puppets) around.  But LE is a master manipulator.  Much more a manipulator than a berserker.  I think his outbursts (which don't involve purple rage electricity, just the green electricity of green sun powers) are simply because he hates Calliope.  Whereas his manipulation powers are quite bardic.

Oh he also waves the wand like a conductor, not sure if that's reaching too far.  Just in case, let me reach far further:  Bard Quest, despite being around from the very beginning, has never actually ended.  Thus, LE's immortality comes from Gamzee's bardic half.

*drops puppet and walks off stage*

_{Or it's because you can never kill a clown.}

[XXXXYYYY]

I meant Gamzee, the part that isn't Lord English. The part that's a chill-ass stoner troll who loves his friends.

Personally, I got the exact opposite vibe. I got the feeling that what was revealed when he finally ran out was the "real" Gamzee, and the only thing that stopped him before was the constant, dulling properties of the sopor that he so readily consumed. In every mentioned doomed timeline relating to the trolls (bar one - Vriska's offshoot), it was always Gamzee who snapped, murdering every single one of his friends, even though he was far away from Caliborn's corrupting influence. I see a person who began to accidentally drug himself from a very young age, and then kept it up because he was never told not to. None of his friends ever saw firsthand just how terrifying he could be, trough his drugged-up haze, and before the game (and even after their session had ended-"3V3N G4MZ33!!! 1 M34N R34LLY VR1SK4, G4MZ33?!"), they either hadn't heard of it, or didn't believe it. Hell, I might be misremembering, but I think I remember Karkat telling Gamzee to stop eating it- but when Gamzee actually did, he was very quick to tell him to start again, and I think it was this moment that he was show just how terrifying Gamzee really is. Karkat was Gamzee's Moirail- he was closer to Gamzee than anyone else, and I think that action, telling the person that you're supposed to protect and support in a healthy way that they should reinstate an unhealthy habit that was very obviously fucking up their head, is telling of just how different the 'real' Gamzee was.

[FuzzyZergling]

In [S]: GAME OVER, Gamzee's right side is is D: while his left side is .
It's not clear because of the claymation, but I think the half punted into Cal is the left side.
What that means I don't know, but I felt the need to point it out.

[Putnam]

The part put into cal is the Do: part, since Lord English said HONK HONK when he erupted from Scratch (as opposed to honk honk)