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[Putnam]

Doomed timelines aren't defined by time players. Terezi causing John's death caused one and another was caused by Terezi not killing Vriska when she had the chance. Neither one involved a time player in their creation at all. In fact, it would be easier to say that it's caused by mind players.

[Kilojoule Proton]

I'm not sure I understand.

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The alpha's almost definitely the one where John plays the Breeze, but I'm not sure about Roxy choosing to go to LOWAS. The blankness may also be a sign of something, and I think the first doomed timeline in update history did mention a break in communications with trolls: A blankness of some sort?

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John and Roxeh are currently OUTSIDE the alpha timeline. It was confirmed that the timeline we'd been following[Since Aranea put on the ring, if not before] was a doomed timeline. How are doomed timelines defined? By Time players. The first one we saw was averted from becoming the alpha timeline by Dave time traveling back to stop John from dying. But, in this case, the only Time player involved is LE, who I suppose also defines the alpha timeline. So John is fulfilling that role, by taking himself and Roxeh[And his ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET] back to the REAL alpha timeline to fix everything.

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The bit about the entire planet (including John and Roxy) being outside the alpha timeline clears up a lot.

[Arcvasti]

I forgot about those particular examples. I suppose it would be more accurate to say that all doomed timelines are separated from the alpha timeline by someone with knowledge FROM the doomed timeline, whether they be Dave or another Time player, Terezi or maybe Rose using Seer powers, John with his new powers and apparently even the Denizens themselves.

[Putnam]

I forgot about those particular examples. I suppose it would be more accurate to say that all doomed timelines are separated from the alpha timeline by someone with knowledge FROM the doomed timeline, whether they be Dave or another Time player, Terezi or maybe Rose using Seer powers, John with his new powers and apparently even the Denizens themselves.

Those are the only examples of doomed timelines we've ever actually seen.........

Besides that, there are WAY too many doomed trolls floating around for just that to be the case. Maybe it's due to the recklessness of Aradia and the maliciousness of Damara, but maybe there are more ways to make a doomed timeline.

[Kilojoule Proton]

Perhaps simple chance is sufficient? We know a bunch of doomed Aradias were the result of Karkat's husktop not exploding, and Aradia wasn't responsible for that.

[Putnam]

Maybe it's more about choice than chance. You may notice that Terezi has been involved with every doomed timeline of significance we've ever seen. The Seer of Mind has some choicey business going on.

[Arcvasti]

I forgot about those particular examples. I suppose it would be more accurate to say that all doomed timelines are separated from the alpha timeline by someone with knowledge FROM the doomed timeline, whether they be Dave or another Time player, Terezi or maybe Rose using Seer powers, John with his new powers and apparently even the Denizens themselves.

Those are the only examples of doomed timelines we've ever actually seen.........

Besides that, there are WAY too many doomed trolls floating around for just that to be the case. Maybe it's due to the recklessness of Aradia and the maliciousness of Damara, but maybe there are more ways to make a doomed timeline.

Pretty sure all the doomed trolls from the Alternian troll timeline was because the Aradiabots, acting on instructions from the cross-timeline bulletin board, intentionally sabotaged a thousand timelines so they'd have the numbers to counteract the Black King's psychic powers in ONE of them. Kingmaking, as it were. And the main reason that the Beta kid had relatively few doomed timelines was because Dave was REALLY careful with his time loops. We know literally nothing about the Beforan timeline, but keep in mind that, after the first dead Dave, Dave was ridiculously careful about keeping his time loops stable and following the alpha timeline. He might be the exception, rather then the rule.

Perhaps simple chance is sufficient? We know a bunch of doomed Aradias were the result of Karkat's husktop not exploding, and Aradia wasn't responsible for that.

Karkat's husktop not exploding WAS choice, since, in that case, he didn't choose to run Sollux's virus. And that whole thing was weird, since if it HAD exploded and a doomed Aradiabot hadn't intervened, Doc Scratch wouldn't have been made since Gamzee wrote part of his genetic code during that doomed timeline.

[Sergarr]

I've just realized (from the last page of potato) what this place the John and Roxy are in reminds me of.

Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

[Elephant Parade]

Is it just me, or is the update getting put on the website slightly earlier every night? I think it's ~3 minutes or so. Could this be significant?

[Kilojoule Proton]

It could be if the site automates updates like webcomics with buffers do. Does anyone have minute-precision records? I'm fairly sure they appeared 00:40 or so EDT for a few days on and after 10/25.

[Darvi]

I've just realized (from the last page of potato) what this place the John and Roxy are in reminds me of.

Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

That was exactly what I thought of when I saw that page.

[Rose]

I am dissapointed that these pages don't have a transparent background.

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Why do I feel like Roxy (or one of them) is gonna die? :/

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Here's a thought.  John and Roxy both stated that they were pretty much given the choice of feeling the loss and fading, or having their friends feel the loss.  The Jade with Calliope is assumed to be from the Alpha timeline.  She said that John died from his denezin destroying the planet in that timeline.  I bet the choice is implied that they aren't doomed, but that by accepting it, they replaced their original alpha counterparts to become the John and Roxy of the alpha timeline instead.

[Graknorke]

John had best get macking on Dave's mom or I am going to be so disappointed.