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[Rolan7]

My point was that lasers are light, so invisible things would be intangible to lasers.
(Same reason why invisible people should be blind theoretically)

[Sergarr]

And reproducing universes is only needed to avoid total annihilation at the hand of the Enemy.

Really, with the amount of self-entangled paradoxes found in Homestuck, this seems like one of the most obvious ones. The Sburb exist to create universes, to avoid complete destruction by LE, but LE infects every single one of these so that their evolution inevitably brings him to life, and thus - the destruction of those. Thus, the incomplete version of Sburb only temporarily halts the Endbringer's onslaught, stalling time for the coming of the full version, and the individual that could use it.

What we see is an end result of a protracted meta-literal combat, evolving concepts and a lot of shenanigans. It's like the iterations in the Achron, except on a more abstract level. The first iteration likely was vastly different from what we see now.

[~Neri]

Psionic blast does not = laser.

Roxy could see when Invisable.

She obviously used void powers due to the void symbol that appeared. That happens whenever anyone uses aspect powers.

My theory is that Roxy just made her and Rose invisible so the death lasers went through them, not actually intangible.

You have definitions mixed up.  Invisible means impossible to see, which means the lasers would still hit them.  They would have to have been intangible for them not to have been hit.

Edit: Ninja'd

The Classpect stuff is mostly from a data dump hussie did a year or so back with a lil bit of speculation for the Lord/Muse and a few other classes that not much data was given based on canon occurrences. Aspects were fairly straightforward in explaination, with several speculations based on recent canon.

I demand proof.  A statement such as this is as good as near any speculation without proof.

I stated I am looking for the datadump. Stand by, proof will come should I find the datadump.

And reproducing universes is only needed to avoid total annihilation at the hand of the Enemy.

Really, with the amount of self-entangled paradoxes found in Homestuck, this seems like one of the most obvious ones. The Sburb exist to create universes, to avoid complete destruction by LE, but LE infects every single one of these so that their evolution inevitably brings him to life, and thus - the destruction of those. Thus, the incomplete version of Sburb only temporarily halts the Endbringer's onslaught, stalling time for the coming of the full version, and the individual that could use it.

What we see is an end result of a protracted meta-literal combat, evolving concepts and a lot of shenanigans. It's like the iterations in the Achron, except on a more abstract level. The first iteration likely was vastly different from what we see now.

LE seeks power and to live, not destruction. If I recall, LE has yet to destroy a single universe, where Jack Noir has destroyed two universes. LE is not the enemy I think. He is just a deviation from the norm.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

If I recall, LE has yet to destroy a single universe...

Of course not, a universe is beneath him.  He's shooting directly for all of existence.

[javierpwn]

My theory is that Roxy just made her and Rose invisible so the death lasers went through them, not actually intangible.

You have definitions mixed up.  Invisible means impossible to see, which means the lasers would still hit them.  They would have to have been intangible for them not to have been hit.

Edit: Ninja'd

The Classpect stuff is mostly from a data dump hussie did a year or so back with a lil bit of speculation for the Lord/Muse and a few other classes that not much data was given based on canon occurrences. Aspects were fairly straightforward in explaination, with several speculations based on recent canon.

I demand proof.  A statement such as this is as good as near any speculation without proof.

I stated I am looking for the datadump. Stand by, proof will come should I find the datadump.

And reproducing universes is only needed to avoid total annihilation at the hand of the Enemy.

Really, with the amount of self-entangled paradoxes found in Homestuck, this seems like one of the most obvious ones. The Sburb exist to create universes, to avoid complete destruction by LE, but LE infects every single one of these so that their evolution inevitably brings him to life, and thus - the destruction of those. Thus, the incomplete version of Sburb only temporarily halts the Endbringer's onslaught, stalling time for the coming of the full version, and the individual that could use it.

What we see is an end result of a protracted meta-literal combat, evolving concepts and a lot of shenanigans. It's like the iterations in the Achron, except on a more abstract level. The first iteration likely was vastly different from what we see now.

LE seeks power and to live, not destruction. If I recall, LE has yet to destroy a single universe, where Jack Noir has destroyed two universes. LE is not the enemy I think. He is just a deviation from the norm.

He has yet to destroy a universe by his own hands.

He has already destroyed "countless others", due to being behind every terrible thing in existence in one way or another.

[~Neri]

What proof do you have that he is behind everything?

All we have is second and third hand information from characters biased against him.

We have 0 data about him trying to break existence. He wants power. What use is power without something to rule over?

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

We have 0 data about him trying to break existence.

Except, of course, blowing up the dreambubble and making cracks in the fabric of reality.

[Sergarr]

LE is ostensibly behind everything simply because everything must conspire to invoke him in a new universe in a way that seems to be quite improbable to happen just by chance.

You know, the Doc pretty much outright tells us he serves the LE.

Also, where did you get the whole "wants to power and to live" thing? It doesn't seem to be very canon, seeing as the LE is basically powerful enough to kill unkillable and retroactively invoke himself into existence by using explicitly omnipotent and omniscient servants.

[javierpwn]

What proof do you have that he is behind everything?

All we have is second and third hand information from characters biased against him.

We have 0 data about him trying to break existence. He wants power. What use is power without something to rule over?

Doc Scratch.
He serves under Lord English, and by doing so, everything Doc Scratch has done, Lord English is behind.
Doc Scratch influenced Rose to activate the Tumor within a certain coordinate of the Furthest Ring.
Doc Scratch himself describes Fereri's Lusus as a "gift", causing the Empress to seize power over the Troll Race, and subsequently end the race; causing her Imperious Condescension to enter under LE's services.
Doc Scratch stole Damara from her meteor, and trained her to be in his service.
Doc Scratch caused each of the terrible troll accidents(with the codes) through one measure or another, ensuring his own existence.
Doc Scratch, by telling Vriska to deal revenge upon Aradia, got Aradia to die; and thus allow Aradia to prototype both herself and the frog, causing the Black Queen to be exiled, causing both her enlistment under LE and Doc Scratch's Paradoxification.(this also allowed Sollux to create the copies of SGRUB)
Doc Scratch told Spades Slick to kill Snowman, to end a universe.
Doc Scratch told Rose to look into the Cueball, and become Grimdark.

Doc scratch, by extension of making the troll session what it is, allowed cancerous universe B to exist.

[~Neri]

LE is ostensibly behind everything simply because everything must conspire to invoke him in a new universe in a way that seems to be quite improbable to happen just by chance.

You know, the Doc pretty much outright tells us he serves the LE.

Also, where did you get the whole "wants to power and to live" thing? It doesn't seem to be very canon, seeing as the LE is basically powerful enough to kill unkillable and retroactively invoke himself into existence by using explicitly omnipotent and omniscient servants.

LE is presumed to be Caliborn. What does Caliborn want? Power. Does he have the power to destroy large Horrorterrors? No. He does not.

Are his servants actually omnipotent? No. The fact that Grimbark Jade could be beaten by a mere player proved this. They do not have infinite power Jade had Bec's power + Space godtier powers, making her even Stronger then them. BecNoir for example is Bec+swordbird+harlequin+Jaspers+his own natural abilities. Making him stronger then the normal ones. They are powerful, but they are not omnipotent.

Dream bubbles are a side effect of the Horrorterrors.

BecNoir and BecMailperson injured several Horrorterrors in their path through the furthest ring. Horrorterrors are not unkillable, just hard to kill.

What proof do you have that he is behind everything?

All we have is second and third hand information from characters biased against him.

We have 0 data about him trying to break existence. He wants power. What use is power without something to rule over?

Doc Scratch.
He serves under Lord English, and by doing so, everything Doc Scratch has done, Lord English is behind.
Doc Scratch influenced Rose to activate the Tumor within a certain coordinate of the Furthest Ring.
Doc Scratch himself describes Fereri's Lusus as a "gift", causing the Empress to seize power over the Troll Race, and subsequently end the race; causing her Imperious Condescension to enter under LE's services.
Doc Scratch stole Damara from her meteor, and trained her to be in his service.
Doc Scratch caused each of the terrible troll accidents(with the codes) through one measure or another, ensuring his own existence.
Doc Scratch, by telling Vriska to deal revenge upon Aradia, got Aradia to die; and thus allow Aradia to prototype both herself and the frog, causing the Black Queen to be exiled, causing both her enlistment under LE and Doc Scratch's Paradoxification.(this also allowed Sollux to create the copies of SGRUB)
Doc Scratch told Spades Slick to kill Snowman, to end a universe.
Doc Scratch told Rose to look into the Cueball, and become Grimdark.

Doc scratch, by extension of making the troll session what it is, allowed cancerous universe B to exist.

And how does any of that break existence?

Most of that was DocScratch ensuring DocScratch exists.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

LE is presumed to be Caliborn. What does Caliborn want? Power. Does he have the power to destroy large Horrorterrors? No. He does not.

Caliborn isn't Lord English, yet.  He will be, eventually.  Presumptuous to say that Caliborn doesn't have the power, when he is honestly, just early on in his lifespan.

BecNoir and BecMailperson injured several Horrorterrors in their path through the furthest ring. Horrorterrors are not unkillable, just hard to kill.

Proof?

[javierpwn]

And how does any of that break existence?

Most of that was DocScratch ensuring DocScratch exists.

That was proof LE is behind everything.

Not to mention the fact Scratch was made from Lil Cal, and without LE, no Cal.

[Sergarr]

Don't forget what Caliborn did to the Spades Slick through the Cal's eyes. That pretty much confirmed that Caliborn is LE for me.

[~Neri]

LE is presumed to be Caliborn. What does Caliborn want? Power. Does he have the power to destroy large Horrorterrors? No. He does not.

Caliborn isn't Lord English, yet.  He will be, eventually.  Presumptuous to say that Caliborn doesn't have the power, when he is honestly, just early on in his lifespan.

BecNoir and BecMailperson injured several Horrorterrors in their path through the furthest ring. Horrorterrors are not unkillable, just hard to kill.

Proof?

Incomic, becnoir and becmail, several severed tentacles from Horrorterrors floating around during the bits we saw the chase.

LE still can't kill big ones, course they can't kill him either, both can hurt one another from what I understand though.

[javierpwn]

Don't forget what Caliborn did to the Spades Slick through the Cal's eyes. That pretty much confirmed that Caliborn is LE for me.

And that Lil Cal has Caliborn's Soul