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[Darvi]

a) that was what  GG said and
b) Karkat created her and
c) it would involve her killing her younger post-scratch self

And I was saying post-scratch HUMAN-VERSE crocker needs to do the ectobio thing, otherwise he presence on post-scratch earth is an unstable time loop, and thus doomed. However, if she ectobios herself in the post-scratch human session, and sends that baby back to post-scratch earth, it's stable and she's fine.

Post -scratch Crocker is the result from pre-scratch Crocker being scratched who in turn is post-scratch Condesce.

[Max White]

You know what? Fuck this insane speculation. So far the majority of evidence points to there being a single, currently living Crocker. While I am open to the idea that through time shit she multiplied, that has yet to be seen.

[GlyphGryph]

Oh all the other ones are in realities that have been destroyed, so there is definitely one. I'm just saying she needs to send a baby of herself back in time at some point or else she never could have existed in post scratch earth.

(Unless she reached it through the post-scratch session, in which case sending herself back is enough, and probably more likely. Especially if she, like Gamzee, is somehow hiding somewhere on the station....)

And Darvi, it doesn't involve her killing anyone. She BECOMES her younger self... or her younger self becomes her. Somewhere in between those two.


Evidence: The Suffer - all of a sudden afflicted with memories of pre-scratch world, change in demeanor in behaviour, suddenly seems more experienced, etc. and so on. That's exactly the sort of thing my theory would describe.

[zchris13]

No this speculation is insane.

[penguinofhonor]

Wait, I thought Crocker was the condesce.

[Max White]

Wait, I thought Crocker was the condesce.

No, Crocker is the Maid of Life.

[Darvi]

While I am open to the idea that through time shit she multiplied, that has yet to be seen.

It's not that complicated. Condesce enters the human universe where she becomes both pre-scratch and post-scratch Crocker. How much of her is the same is unknown since she's an outsider, but GG's point of her having to create herself is moot because Karkat did that already.

Oh all the other ones are in realities that have been destroyed, so there is definitely one. I'm just saying she needs to send a baby of herself back in time at some point or else she never could have existed in post scratch earth.

Yes she could.

There's also the possibility of her having escaped the scratch altogether.

Wait, I thought Crocker was the condesce.

Yes.

[GlyphGryph]

Yes she could.

She could, but it would kill her before she accomplished anything and erase her from the timeline. That is what happens to people who go unstable. I think she'd just stabilize herself.

Like I said, though, that assumes that she came from pre-scratch session. If she comes from the post-scratch session, no, she doesn't need to ectobio herself.

[Darvi]

What? The scratch only changes when what baby arrives on the planet. Everything else not directly affected by that, including the Condesce's arrival on Earth, is the same.

They both came from the Troll universe.

[GlyphGryph]

How much of her is the same is unknown since she's an outsider, but GG's point of her having to create herself is moot because Karkat did that already.

And I'm saying by the logic of the scratched verses, the post scratch verse needs to be internally stable, which means she needs to be created again.

Post-scratch, there is no kid session with connection to troll verse. Meaning the loop is only stable pre-scratch.

Unless, again, she creates a post scratch link to the troll verse and comes through that, by having hitched a ride on the meteor or something.

[Darvi]

And I'm saying by the logic of the scratched verses, the post scratch verse needs to be internally stable,

And that's the point where I stopped reading because we all know this is wrong.

[GlyphGryph]

Why? How?

Was the post-scratch troll verse non internally stable? It certainly seemed so to me.

[CJ1145]

Let me put this in terms that Homestuck fans will comprehend.

The Condesce's arrival was in no way perturbed by the arrival of John and Jade as opposed to Jane and Jake.

She was already here.

[Darvi]

Yes, but was the pre-scratch Troll universe?

Of course not, you had a bunch of people appearing out of practically nowhere.

Also, the Condesce already has been created by Karkat.

She is already here.

Let me put this in terms that Homestuck fans will comprehend.

The Condesce's arrival was in no way perturbed by the arrival of John and Jade as opposed to Jane and Jake.

She was already here.

NIIIIINNJAAAA!!!

[Max White]

Oh wow, now I know where uu came from...