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[Strife26]

Or let's get term straight.

Evolution is not necessarily against Genesis.

Evolution is the tendency for things that die not to have kids and for unfit things to die more.
Evolution makes no provision for life to start out.

The first cell is an entirely different matter (spontaneous generation being a tricky subject all around). Electrified mud puddle? God's hand? Time machine? World generation in DF 1 with a "real life" mod?

Also note the fact that seven day creationism is pretty flawed in the fact that you don't get "days" until halfway through.


Discuss creationism or evolution in general here. Try to keep the flames at a comfortable marshmallow roasting temp though. Kay?

[ChairmanPoo]

The problem is that evolution-as-the-origin-of-species is very much at odds with a literal reading of Genesis. And it is precisely the biblical literalists the ones who reject evolution.

[Yanlin]

What of the posibility that god IS the universe? Or that he's the Higgs boson.

[Rilder]

Why don't we make fun of Christians like we used to.

[Jude]

It's true that evolution doesn't start to take place until replicators exist (i.e., life in this case, or proto-life). We don't know exactly how life started. So if creationists want to insert God at that point in history, whatever. It doesn't really hurt science.

Really, people can believe whatever fairytales they want, as long as they don't try to teach them to kids in public schools with my tax dollars.

[IndonesiaWarMinister]

Also note that, eh, 'translations' are inadequate for research.

If you want to know the real New Testament, read the original (read: Aramaic) one.

[Leafsnail]

Um, genesis is at odds with evolution.

In genesis, God makes all creatures.  There is no other way of looking at it.  On one day he makes the fish and birds, on another land creatures, and on another day the humans.  Sure, you could make it a metaphor (for what?), but then you can say almost anything is true if you interpret it metaphorically.

[Ampersand]

Why must this debate keep getting resurrected?

[SniHjen]

Act 283; Discussion of religion only leads to stife, and we should stop.
OR: Lock this thread act.
OR: SAGE goes in all fields.

I hereby with this act motion for this thread to be locked.
discussing religion will bring nothing good, past attempts have proved this.

As evidence, see thread titled: Atheist.

Seriously, this can only go bad.

[woose1]

Yay, another evolution-related thread populated almost entirely with atheists! How could this possibly go wrong!?

[kuro_suna]

Evolution is not necessarily against Genesis.

Evolution is the tendency for things that die not to have kids and for unfit things to die more.
Evolution makes no provision for life to start out.

The first cell is an entirely different matter (spontaneous generation being a tricky subject all around). Electrified mud puddle? God's hand? Time machine? World generation in DF 1 with a "real life" mod?

Also note the fact that seven day creationism is pretty flawed in the fact that you don't get "days" until halfway through.

What your describing is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution, at lest in American politics just saying creationism usually refers to the belief all species were poofed  into existence around the same time and is basically just the literal interpretation of genesis minus the young 6000 year old earth part since its hard to deny all of earth science when mining and drilling company's keep hiring geologists instead of creationists.

[ChairmanPoo]

Why don't we make fun of Christians like we used to.

Because there are a lot of them, and the number of lions keeps dwindling. It's becoming hard to arrange. 

[Armok]

Why don't we make fun of Christians like we used to.

Because there are a lot of them, and the number of lions keeps dwindling. It's becoming hard to arrange. 

WIN!

[Yanlin]

Really, people can believe whatever fairytales they want, as long as they don't try to teach them to kids in public schools with my tax dollars.

Add "No child indoctrination" there and you have my support.

[Jude]

Um, genesis is at odds with evolution.

In genesis, God makes all creatures.  There is no other way of looking at it.  On one day he makes the fish and birds, on another land creatures, and on another day the humans.  Sure, you could make it a metaphor (for what?), but then you can say almost anything is true if you interpret it metaphorically.

Nobody takes Genesis literally (not even Orthodox Jews, afaik) except for fundamentalist Christians in America.

Add "No child indoctrination" there and you have my support.

I don't really have a problem, or a case to make against, people teaching creationism to their kids. For one thing, the precedent set by forbidding people to pass on their worldviews (however unscientific) to their children is FAR worse than any possible worldview that could be passed on. And it's basically none of my business.