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[Andir]

Heres a rather fun screenshot of the results of underestimating the pressure in my pipes. I wanted to fill the little pond near my entrance, as I had it designated as a pond to be fileld for years, and it never got filled. Unfortunately, 2 steps after the water got to the pond, it was full. And it just kept coming... Up and up and up. And it seems the dwarf who originally pulled the level has decided to go grab a drink. And my resevoir still is over 3/4 full. 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm just starting to dabble in dwarvish construction but... would it be possible to...
- intentionally create such a geysir
- let it push up through a grate (placed maybe 2/3 on the way up)
- put floor tiles/walls around the grate to channel the water... elsewhere.

That would be a single column reversed waterfall, falling... up.
After all, gravity is only a technical issue. =)

An interesting suggestion... it would allow a method of providing water to a suspended fortress without having a connection point... I'm thinking:

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     #############
     D    FORT   #  PUMP TOWER
##################  ########
     #    ~~~WELL#  # %>_  #
     #~~~~#=#~~~~#  # <% # #
     ######~######  # %> # #
           ~        # <% # #
########==#~#==###### %> # #
########  #~#  %>~~~~~#|## #
########~~#~#~~#|######|## #
###########~####*-@@@--*## # <-- Wheels for power
###########~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
############################



[Gazz]

An interesting suggestion... it would allow a method of providing water to a suspended fortress without having a connection point...

And if you manage to pressurize the water highly enough you might shoot it up far enough to create a high enough storage tank for a suspended fortress to run it's internal plumbing (maybe a decorative waterfall in all 4 corners of the dining hall) or have it's own internal water wheels.

Wireless (water) power transmission. =P

Now that would be a remarkable feat of engineering. During the summer. LOL

[Greiger]

You would probably only retain about 1/10th (if that) of the water and the areas underneath your fortress would probably be perpetually flooded but it could work.

Inefficient? Horrible side effects for the surrounding environment?  High chance of spectacular failure? Sounds dwarven to me.

[Naes Draw]

Is the spread visible in the VF pic on the way down? It seems that if you want it to be more efficient, a chute for the water would keep things in a 1x1 line up, maybe with a pump halfway to boost?

Or you could keep it open and try having some sort of midway station to boost it?

Regardless wouldn't be easy, but isn't that the point?

Or am I missing the point?

[Andir]

Is the spread visible in the VF pic on the way down? It seems that if you want it to be more efficient, a chute for the water would keep things in a 1x1 line up, maybe with a pump halfway to boost?

Or you could keep it open and try having some sort of midway station to boost it?

Regardless wouldn't be easy, but isn't that the point?

Or am I missing the point?

The pump would "reset" the pressure instead of boosting it.  Water pressure is determined by the exit point of the last pump it touches.  So the water should shoot up to the level of the last pump in the tower and no higher.

The question on if the spread is created by the falling water or if it's from the rising water is a good one though.  I put the grates on the ground level to suck up the falling water, but if the geyser is formed because the water has no horizontal path... then those would be counter-productive and would need to be moved further away from the exit point.

I'd be willing to accept a perpetually flooded area below as you'd need a source of water and hovering a fort over a water source would be as acceptable as over dry land, IMHO.  You could also setup a small collection area below the fort for water runoff.  Or use one of the other methods of using an extreme jet to propel water above the fort to "rain down" through some wheels for power... then collect that water runoff to shoot back up.

I gotta start a few forts and try this out now.   

Also, the "point" is to provide water to the fort without a chute, so that would invalidate the point.

Edit:  Now you got me thinking about a support pillar being "in" the "water chute" for an almost totally isolated fort:

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with water wheels at the top for fortress power

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#    W~~#~~W    #
#~~~~~#~#~#~~~~~#
#######~#~#######
       ~#~
       ~#~
       ~#~
###==##~#~##==######
###  ##~#~##  %>~~~~
###~~##~#~##~~######
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[Gazz]

Point? Pfft.
It'd be a new dwarvish natural disaster so what other justification is needed?
Actually, the whole point was to have water shoot up high into the sky (for no particular reason at all) and then figure out some way for the dwarves to do something useful with that. =P

The reverse flow back down the grate might be unavoidable so the cascade down the geysir (in the picture) always happens but that should be avoidable if there is a pump instead of the receiving grate, making that a one way flow up into your flying fortress.
Shooting water up into your fortress. Because you can.

For purely decorative uses you could have a waterfall up into your fortress on one side and back down on the other. So it would look like the water coming out of nowhere. But that's a matter for architects, not engineers. =)

The main technical issue I see with that is that you might create your own personal glacier come winter, with more and more water flowing outside over the frozen surface and adding another layer. You might end up with your whole fortress encased in an ice cone.

Perfect.

Now for a sensible water supply for a suspended fortress you'd probably build a chute (with or without pumps) and have the water "inside" and thus not freezing.
Bah. What's interesting about a water pipe?


Actually, I think this should be another thread by now. It's just a bit off topic. =P

[Kaelem Gaen]

Did I do the memory thing wrong? I dropped the Memory Text from the "latest" revision and it still crashed on me.

[peterix]

Did I do the memory thing wrong? I dropped the Memory Text from the "latest" revision and it still crashed on me.

Nope, problem was on my side... I just didn't think visfort would be this fragile...

Use this file instead. I dumbed it down to a point where it works.

[Retro]

Posting more Undergrotto screenies. I know this thread is expected to be image-heavy, but I'm posting 36 screenshots, so... yeah. Sorry in advance. It got a bit self-indulgent, I won't lie.

Older screenies are here. I avoided re-taking most previous shots, so you may want to check those ones out too.

Spoiler: The goblin drop tower (click to show/hide)

Built all the way up to the very highest z-level of the map. It's so high that while exploring as an adventurer, it gave me the 'you have reached the top of blah blah blah mountain range' message before I was halfway up. I really like how the spirally access path turned out.





The view from 98z...








Splat!

Spoiler: Engineering (click to show/hide)

Pretty much the same, but with three more glass offices now. The aquarium one for the chief engineer is still easily the most impressive, though.

Spoiler: The jail (click to show/hide)

Unfortunately you can't really see inside it in VF despite me giving each floor 2 z-levels, but it looks pretty cool from here. Those holes are actually covered with unrendered vertical iron bars.

Spoiler: The hammerer's dungeon (click to show/hide)

The hammerer sits underneath the jail, making curt notes at his desk while caged elves, humans, and dwarves alike wail from thei perches. For fun, I carved the north platform into a hammer shape, while the access platform is an axe.

Spoiler: The trade depot (click to show/hide)

For no particular reason, I went with a weird spherical cage-esque thing for design. Made entirely out of copper, and the unrendered depot inside is black bronze.

Spoiler: The mayoral manor (click to show/hide)

Not the most amazing thing, but more improved than last time. The central section is an open-air gallery that access the rooms on either side.

Spoiler: Mountaingate (click to show/hide)

Mountaingate is the hollow mountain that guards the long winding pathway into the fort. It now has an ice arch (rendered as regular brick) that houses the entire military in front of it and a large pool within it. You can see the drop tower way in the background of one of the shots.

Spoiler: The royal palace (click to show/hide)

Still very much in progress; the last major project to be finished. It will be built completely out of iron, including walls, with the exception of the green glass hot tub and some artistic flourishes in other metals. The five-pointed gold star is the symbol of my civilization.

Spoiler: The ship (click to show/hide)

Currently unnamed, though it houses all the booze and the captain's custom profession is Drunk, so it may very well end up as the Booze Cruiser. It still needs to be adjusted, as well as have a mast and sail added. Man, do I ever wish VF rendered wood as wood.

Spoiler: Final overview and slices (click to show/hide)

Just some loose, wide shots of the grotto, as well as what various slices I could get.

Undergrotto isn't done yet, but it's getting damn near close, so I'll be back one last time probably in about a week to post how the last handful of projects turn out. Don't worry, I won't spam up the thread with another thousand images next time (sorry again for that).

[Vicomt]

just awesome.

[Danarca]

.. Is that a gigantic cave?
How much stone did that produce?! From the looks of it there must've been 300,000+!!!
But yeah, that is awesome, as in the old definition; "inspiring awe: an awesome sight."

[Quantum Toast]

No offense to anyone else, but Undergrotto is probably the most impressive fortress I've ever seen.

[Retro]

.. Is that a gigantic cave?
How much stone did that produce?! From the looks of it there must've been 300,000+!!!
But yeah, that is awesome, as in the old definition; "inspiring awe: an awesome sight."

I dug out the cavern in two halves of 300k each, and the various other digging projects took up 100k here or there. Thanks to efficiency and some sneaky raw work, I only have about a few thousand stone lying around, and since I've been building primarily out of diorite, it actually warranted digging a quarry >_>;

No offense to anyone else, but Undergrotto is probably the most impressive fortress I've ever seen.

Thank you very much! I try to avoid directly responding to positive feedback because I feel kind of elitist but a compliment like that means a lot.

Edit: In reponse to the below, sort of. You set melting temp to 10000 and boiling temp to 10010 of only the layer stone (in this case diorite) as well as unwanted clusters (orthoclase, microcline)... but only after you've dug it out, so you can take the insta-boil mist all at once rather than slowing down the project boiling away each individual stone one at a time. I only did that for the main cavern's 600k stone, though. The other 200k~300k stone has been dumped into the river chasm mostly.

[Lord Shonus]

What di d you do to the raws? set the melt tem to dwarven body temp?

[Dorten]

 Ooooh!




Aaaaah!


Woooow, dude!