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[Aqizzar]

Alternatively, a Religion check on bears provides the following:

    * DC15: Bears do not attend any continuous services of worship. They are ready to kill at all hours of the week.

    * DC20: They mysteriously vanish every winter, perhaps to give reverence to their perverse fertility goddess while gorging on the souls of men lost to famine.

    * DC25: Bear society has no visibly ordained clerics.

    * DC35: SHIT NEVERMIND THEY HAVE THEM RUN.

[Pandarsenic]

Please Aqizzar tell me that is legit because if it is I will fall in love with D&D 4E

[Aqizzar]

lern to internets

Seriously, check it out and read the linked archive.

Spoiler: To wit- (click to show/hide)

As beasts, we can give bears the Feyborn template. A dire bear is a level 11 monster, and so also qualifies for the Death Knight template. If we can get its intelligence up to 13, we can add the Lich template. Did I mention that templates are allowed to stack?

Also, if the DM rules that a Feyborn bear is a magical beast, we can apply both the Frost Adept and Scion of Flame templates.

Also, the DMG never explicitly states that a monster may only be given one class template, so lets give it all eight.

Getting a bear to an intelligence of 13 is actually the biggest hurdle. Since we don't have stats for bear player characters, and all. Both bears that are stated have an int of 2, so they either have a -6 or -8 to int. If the bear puts its 18 into int, we are still only at int 10, possibly 12. I assume that there are still +int magic items (I only skimmed the section); the template section doesn't say that the int can't be from items. If not, we can put the bear's level-up stat bonuses into int.

Yes, I think it is do-able. But we will need a very special subject. It must stand alone amongst its breatheren:

It must be smarter than your average bear.

[Cthulhu]

Bears with player classes are probably the most terrifying thing I've ever heard of in my life.  These are the kinds of things that would make humans extinct.

A knowledge(Nature) check is still a good idea though.  Just because you think you know everything about them doesn't mean the character hasn't heard some anecdote somewhere that will give you an edge.

[Pandarsenic]

I'll take a shot at it, for obvious reasons.

[Cthulhu]

You rolled a 17, with your int bonus that's 20.  Aside from the stupid obvious stuff you know about spiders(see Bear lore, above) you remember an adventurer who passed through town a few years ago mentioned that giant cave spider webs came apart and melted if you held a torch near them, and that the spiders themselves were afraid of fire.

[theevilmonk]

seeing as noone thought to bring a torch, search for something that we could make into a torche (at least i got flint and tinder) (or in the case of the cleric no supplies at all)

[Pandarsenic]

Shit, I should've loaded up a Burning Hands instead of Magic Missiles.

[Aqizzar]

When has anybody every actually bothered to list their supplies?  Every game I've ever played, everybody just assumed we had a hammerspace knapsack with whatever adventuring supplies we needed.  And it's always light enough.

Except for that time the DM's brother ran a game and insisted everyone realistically check their pack weight, so we all made sure to pack Rods of Wonder.  Oh what fun we had...

[Cthulhu]

Yeah, I've always considered torches to be something you assumed you had.

[CJ1145]

And I've always assumed choosing the Mounted Combat proficiency should net you a free horse, but you can't be right all the time.

[Pandarsenic]

When has anybody every actually bothered to list their supplies?  Every game I've ever played, everybody just assumed we had a hammerspace knapsack with whatever adventuring supplies we needed.  And it's always light enough.

Except for that time the DM's brother ran a game and insisted everyone realistically check their pack weight, so we all made sure to pack Rods of Wonder.  Oh what fun we had...

You mean supplies that weren't ammo? Since, like, never.

[theevilmonk]

in every game i've ever played ive listed supplies, and used weight. If noone remembers to bring rope, or a torch ect.. well that just makes it more intresting

[Pandarsenic]

So.....

[Cthulhu]

I don't know, I didn't realize how time-consuming PBP games were, and I got the rulebook for Dark Heresy, and it's like a thousand times better than Dungeons and Dragons, so I just kinda let the thread sink.