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[Imp]

I generally take amateur based on the Latin root. As in, doing something out of love instead of in pursuit of money.

amateur
1784, "one who has a taste for (something)," from Fr. amateur "lover of," from O.Fr., from L. amatorem (nom. amator) "lover," from amatus, pp. of amare "to love" (see Amy). Meaning "dabbler" (as opposed to professional) is from 1786.

Beautiful answer, and I was just posting much the same too.  In this sense of the word, amateur is a compliment.  You're doing 'it', whatever it is, because you enjoy it a little or a lot - not because you're paid.

[MiniMacker]

I never realized how tedious it was to play without Dwarf Therapist. I'm quite new to this game, but I lost track of everyone's professions after the first migrant wave.

Argh!

[Andir]

We need a volunteer to post that link every second time we hit a new thread page.

I got this page!

Why isn't the latest version of DF supported yet?
Mapping New Versions of DF

Edit: not directed at you MiniMacker ... just having fun with this

[Star Weaver]

I generally take amateur based on the Latin root. As in, doing something out of love instead of in pursuit of money.

amateur
1784, "one who has a taste for (something)," from Fr. amateur "lover of," from O.Fr., from L. amatorem (nom. amator) "lover," from amatus, pp. of amare "to love" (see Amy). Meaning "dabbler" (as opposed to professional) is from 1786.

Cool, I was hoping someone would say that too; I was thinking of it but didn't have time to actually look it up and not just babble from memory.

Re playing the game without: I do all the time when I'm usin' DFterm, but I usually open up DT to go over people when I'm at the actual computer even if I'm not going to really play. The only real "flaw" in DF itself is not being able to see people's skill levels on the same screen as their labor enabling, flipping back and forth being annoying. DT mainly helps me cause I never remember who I have set to do what; or how many, or who I should turn off 'cause I just got a high master immigrant. Also I generally wait till I can use DT to deal with a 25 dwarf imm. wave .

[Aristoi]

Does "Chmod cancels update DT: Has a life" sum that up nicely?

Good summary.  I'm going to drop on over to http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/Donations and let chmod that I have realized I can't play DF with 7 dwarves without Dwarf Therapist, let alone 50 or 100.

[shibdib]

im surprised theirs not a new release out.. seeing how i gave him permission to use my unofficial release but rather was told no and to take it down

[Ratbert_CP]

im surprised theirs not a new release out.. seeing how i gave him permission to use my unofficial release but rather was told no and to take it down

Wait... 

*You* gave chmod "permission" to use *your* "release" of *his* program?   

I'm having trouble parsing that... 

Unofficial or not, *you* should be getting permission from *him* to provide a "release" of DT.  It's one thing to post the vectors and/or the text of the memory map file, but that's about it.  As far as why a new release hasn't been made available yet, I can only say (without reading the "official" stance) that I would want to test and verify the vectors before making them official.  What we as a community can glean from the memory scans are dubious at best (from an "official" release standpoint), and chmod has the right to take his time and verify the vectors on his own before releasing anything.

[shibdib]

im surprised theirs not a new release out.. seeing how i gave him permission to use my unofficial release but rather was told no and to take it down

Wait... 

*You* gave chmod "permission" to use *your* "release" of *his* program?   

I'm having trouble parsing that... 

Unofficial or not, *you* should be getting permission from *him* to provide a "release" of DT.  It's one thing to post the vectors and/or the text of the memory map file, but that's about it.  As far as why a new release hasn't been made available yet, I can only say (without reading the "official" stance) that I would want to test and verify the vectors before making them official.  What we as a community can glean from the memory scans are dubious at best (from an "official" release standpoint), and chmod has the right to take his time and verify the vectors on his own before releasing anything.

You dont need to preach to me release etiquette, He messaged me to take the release down which was only up to help members who dont know wtf a vector is. I did so and said its fully working using vectors listed in this thread. All I said in my previous post was that he has the vectors he needs to release a working version. Why he hasn't is what doesn't make sense to me.

[chmod]

im surprised theirs not a new release out.. seeing how i gave him permission to use my unofficial release but rather was told no and to take it down

Dude you used tools I wrote to find a number. You put it in a text file. You then zipped up my work. And now I get permission to use the magic numbers you put in a text file using my tools? Oh Thank you sir!

/snark

I generally like to test new offsets fairly extensively before releasing updates. Because guess who has to fix the bugs? I release the scanner tool for a reason. So people can help themselves and others while I test and finish features for releases. I do not drop everything I am doing in my life every time Toady decides to release a version. You have tools to help yourself, and I'm glad you found them useful. But I do have a life. I am in a new management job at work, and I have very little time between that, my 90 minute commute, being married, and stuff I actually want to do. So I will release a new version, when I have the time to do it right.

Thank you for being patient.

* chmod rattles tip jar

[Huin]

* chmod rattles tip jar

http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/Donations

[MiniMacker]

We need a volunteer to post that link every second time we hit a new thread page.

I got this page!

Why isn't the latest version of DF supported yet?
Mapping New Versions of DF

Edit: not directed at you MiniMacker ... just having fun with this

If you're quite brave and willing to get your hands a bit dirty you can try this method to add support for a new version of DF.

"Feeling brave tonight? How brave? Brave enough to do battle with hideous monsters, hm? Brave enough to sneak around dead castles in the dark with chances being the next victim... of a Dragonstrike!"

Hur hur hur. I hope you get the reference.

Also, no I am not. I'm just a mere peasant. Someone do it for me, where I will pay you no appreciation at all in return!


On another note, if I was just one year older, thus allowed to do "anything I want", I'd donate. But yet I'm only 17. Sadface. :<

[shibdib]

dont tell us how to update ur program if we then get in trouble for.. updating ur program..

[Ratbert_CP]

You dont need to preach to me release etiquette, He messaged me to take the release down which was only up to help members who dont know wtf a vector is. I did so and said its fully working using vectors listed in this thread. All I said in my previous post was that he has the vectors he needs to release a working version. Why he hasn't is what doesn't make sense to me.

Apparently, you *do* need the sermon...

dont tell us how to update ur program if we then get in trouble for.. updating ur program..

Dude you used tools I wrote to find a number. You put it in a text file. You then zipped up my work. And now I get permission to use the magic numbers you put in a text file using my tools? Oh Thank you sir!

/snark

I generally like to test new offsets fairly extensively before releasing updates. Because guess who has to fix the bugs? I release the scanner tool for a reason. So people can help themselves and others while I test and finish features for releases. I do not drop everything I am doing in my life every time Toady decides to release a version. You have tools to help yourself, and I'm glad you found them useful. But I do have a life. I am in a new management job at work, and I have very little time between that, my 90 minute commute, being married, and stuff I actually want to do. So I will release a new version, when I have the time to do it right.

Thank you for being patient.

Well...  Technically, he gives instructions for how to patch/update *your* installation of DT.  If you want to share your results, that's cool.  But don't repackage *his* code and "release" it, no matter what disclaimer you add to it.

[shibdib]

You dont need to preach to me release etiquette, He messaged me to take the release down which was only up to help members who dont know wtf a vector is. I did so and said its fully working using vectors listed in this thread. All I said in my previous post was that he has the vectors he needs to release a working version. Why he hasn't is what doesn't make sense to me.

Apparently, you *do* need the sermon...

dont tell us how to update ur program if we then get in trouble for.. updating ur program..

Dude you used tools I wrote to find a number. You put it in a text file. You then zipped up my work. And now I get permission to use the magic numbers you put in a text file using my tools? Oh Thank you sir!

/snark

I generally like to test new offsets fairly extensively before releasing updates. Because guess who has to fix the bugs? I release the scanner tool for a reason. So people can help themselves and others while I test and finish features for releases. I do not drop everything I am doing in my life every time Toady decides to release a version. You have tools to help yourself, and I'm glad you found them useful. But I do have a life. I am in a new management job at work, and I have very little time between that, my 90 minute commute, being married, and stuff I actually want to do. So I will release a new version, when I have the time to do it right.

Thank you for being patient.

Well...  Technically, he gives instructions for how to patch/update *your* installation of DT.  If you want to share your results, that's cool.  But don't repackage *his* code and "release" it, no matter what disclaimer you add to it.

Fuck it, i tried to help people who cant do it themselves. But i give up, wait for the man who begs for tips.

[FuzzyDoom]

You dont need to preach to me release etiquette, He messaged me to take the release down which was only up to help members who dont know wtf a vector is. I did so and said its fully working using vectors listed in this thread. All I said in my previous post was that he has the vectors he needs to release a working version. Why he hasn't is what doesn't make sense to me.

Apparently, you *do* need the sermon...

dont tell us how to update ur program if we then get in trouble for.. updating ur program..

Dude you used tools I wrote to find a number. You put it in a text file. You then zipped up my work. And now I get permission to use the magic numbers you put in a text file using my tools? Oh Thank you sir!

/snark

I generally like to test new offsets fairly extensively before releasing updates. Because guess who has to fix the bugs? I release the scanner tool for a reason. So people can help themselves and others while I test and finish features for releases. I do not drop everything I am doing in my life every time Toady decides to release a version. You have tools to help yourself, and I'm glad you found them useful. But I do have a life. I am in a new management job at work, and I have very little time between that, my 90 minute commute, being married, and stuff I actually want to do. So I will release a new version, when I have the time to do it right.

Thank you for being patient.

Well...  Technically, he gives instructions for how to patch/update *your* installation of DT.  If you want to share your results, that's cool.  But don't repackage *his* code and "release" it, no matter what disclaimer you add to it.

Fuck it, i tried to help people who cant do it themselves. But i give up, wait for the man who begs for tips.

I will. So will you update DF to .11 or are you just going to make us wait for a man who's ONLY monetary support is tips?