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[Skorpion]

So. I had an elven caravan just now.

Six pack animals. A few berries, some unwearable clothing, wooden trinkets, some ropes, a few bags, some barrels, and wood. Lots and lots and lots of wood.
The elves are actually being USEFUL. What the hell? This ain't right! My elf drowner hasn't seen use since the first spring.

[Shima]

The Elves are actually capitalists.  They ban woodcutting and plant/animal products so that they can sell you that stuff at jacked up prices.  It's a monopoly!  Fight back, raze the forest and replace your stone furniture with wood!

[Shrike]

Clearly, the Elves have decided that the best way to deal with the dwarves is to appease them to the point of deforesting their own lands.

Kill them for being brown-nosers.

Just feels wrong, eh... Human liason gives birth, abandons the child, who then wanders about the construction site of my blood-filled lake. Were there any justice, I'd raise the girl as a dwarf and give her a fake beard made from the facial hair of a slain titan.

I've also had a Baroness who gave no mandates for anything but bracelets and idols, and didn't try to bar their export for 5 years straight. Ruined a perfectly good opportunity to test the 'falling chandelier' noble trap (Crystal glass floor with gold statues suspended 4z levels over the dining area).  Fortunately, the Baron consort kept demanding dragon bone items, and was tragically impaled and crushed and impaled again after a legendary armorer was beaten to death for a mandate violation. Poor maintenance was suspected. 

[Skorpion]

The Elves are actually capitalists.  They ban woodcutting and plant/animal products so that they can sell you that stuff at jacked up prices.  It's a monopoly!  Fight back, raze the forest and replace your stone furniture with wood!

There is no forest. It's a desert next to a mountain.

That gets rain three seasons out of four...

[Firnagzen]

And my humie traders turned into elves. They brought loads and loads of leather and cloth and almost nothing else.

*grumble*

Fed them to the magma, of course. The next ones brought more useful stuff.

[Rowanas]

hmm. I've never made an elf drowning trap, but I'm tempted, since I have to dig out some space to get the brook water to my well site anyway...

[Skorpion]

Those are always fun. Just make sure to completely seal the depot so you don't leak, and remember that brooks can drain infinite water.

[Graven]

Hm, to be honest, I'm quite fond of elves; they bring me useful creatures in cages. Though I have to admit, I've never had elves making requests or other signs of obscene behaviour. They just come, sell me things (or get robbed), and leave.

[Garfblarn]

Hm, to be honest, I'm quite fond of elves; they bring me useful creatures in cages. Though I have to admit, I've never had elves making requests or other signs of obscene behaviour. They just come, sell me things (or get robbed), and leave.

My feelings for some time, until they started trying to limit how many trees I cut down. I always just tell them "Yeah... hundred trees? Naw, sure dude, that's cool... Ah... See you next spring?" And then continue tree-choppy antics as usual. Have yet to be elfsieged, surprisingly enough.

[Zona]

I think there reaction is based on how many logs you have in your stockpile now how many trees get cut down. Meaning Clear Cut all you want so long as you use it.

/MayBeWrong

[Grimlocke]

The above could be correct, I brought 400 logs on embark on a treeless map, and the elve havnt shown up with as much as a toothpick of wood.

[Quietust]

So. I had an elven caravan just now.

Six pack animals. A few berries, some unwearable clothing, wooden trinkets, some ropes, a few bags, some barrels, and wood. Lots and lots and lots of wood.
The elves are actually being USEFUL. What the hell? This ain't right! My elf drowner hasn't seen use since the first spring.

My latest elven caravan also carried useful stuff this year, including a tame turtle and two-legged rhino lizard for my zoo. I was quite surprised that they didn't just bring 30 bins of rope reed cloth like they had been doing for the past 8 years - I guess they got the message I "sent" them last year when I moved their trade depot into my obsidian factory and incinerated them.

[Starver]

I think there reaction is based on how many logs you have in your stockpile now how many trees get cut down. Meaning Clear Cut all you want so long as you use it.

/MayBeWrong

Sounds about right.  On a map I'm currently using I started with about 50% 'tree-viable' ground (the eastern half of the zone), and since then I've felled trees from and dug out an area of 125*125 tiles in size, which is roughly half of that tree-viable area, with a decent density of trees (enough so that wagons would ned to thread their way round long detours, though not a show-stopper).  I've also felled trees from outside of the digging area, given that half way through the process I'd removed and used trees and wanted more wood (for my hundreds of wooden cages I required at the time) but only saplings existed on the double-height soils that still hadn't been removed at that stage.

All in all, I've commited environmental vandalism on a massive scales, and yet the elven traders are still on about "my more ethical works",  with nary a sign of any moaning diplomat.  It may have helped that at one point (when I had managed to get a large amount of excess logs and no longer needed any specific wooden goods, at that time) that I extended my external enclave's wooden walls.  As a side-effect to the result of getting the extra protection, I also no longer had littering/stockpiled logs not currently used.  (Since then I have dismantled the walls and replaced them with stone; partly for aesthetic reasons, and partly to recover the wood to keep up with my carpenter's requirements.)

[Rowanas]

I embarked on a treeless map with a mere 30 tower caps, enough to make beds for all my dwarves, plus the first wave of immigrants. Therefore I'm going to be buying wood off of everyone (elves included) just to meet my fortress demands. Then once I've bought all the wood I want, I'll drown the arseholes and take it all back. When the next caravan arrives, I'll offer them so many goods that the elves can't help but like me again.

rinse, repeat.

Stupid elves...