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[Mr.Person]

I also don't like the idea of paranoid/naive varients of all the detective roles. It's not only more complicated, but both paranoid/naive varients exist only to give false information, and are worse than townies. Plus, they could trigger war vets or sentry guns, getting themselves killed, making themselves even more anti-town.

That would be the point - a negative role.  I don't see why there's something inherently bad about having roles worse than townies.

As long as they get the right weights, it works out.

[Rysith]

I also don't like the idea of paranoid/naive varients of all the detective roles. It's not only more complicated, but both paranoid/naive varients exist only to give false information, and are worse than townies. Plus, they could trigger war vets or sentry guns, getting themselves killed, making themselves even more anti-town.

That would be the point - a negative role.  I don't see why there's something inherently bad about having roles worse than townies.

So roles "worse" than townies seems fine, though I think I share josh's objection to false information. I'd rather that a failure generate incomplete or no information than false information, and that no "investigative" role always generate no information (an always-scared agent, for example). The swapped-role townies (goth, kook) seem fine, though, and might be turned into attributes like mind shield rather than roles in and of themselves (so you could have a kook telepath, or a goth war veteran). They might even be able to show up in games without their corresponding scum group, as well.

[Alexhans]

I also don't like the idea of paranoid/naive varients of all the detective roles. It's not only more complicated, but both paranoid/naive varients exist only to give false information, and are worse than townies. Plus, they could trigger war vets or sentry guns, getting themselves killed, making themselves even more anti-town.

Good point.

I'll think about it....  Meanwhile... remember my 5 questions before adding any role (or keeping any role)

[Leafsnail]

I'll think about it....  Meanwhile... remember my 5 questions before adding any role (or keeping any role)

I'm not sure if the burden should always go that way.  I mean, if you did that, you'd probably just have a blank or almost blank list of roles.

The swapped-role townies (goth, kook) seem fine, though, and might be turned into attributes like mind shield rather than roles in and of themselves (so you could have a kook telepath, or a goth war veteran). They might even be able to show up in games without their corresponding scum group, as well.

Perhaps someone who appears to be an alien when investigated is also an option?

[Org]

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[Mr.Person]

Goth doppleganger makes me giggle. It's anti-town, but not by much.

[Leafsnail]

Goth doppleganger makes me giggle. It's anti-town, but not by much.

You'd think there was something very seriously wrong with a Goth doppelganger, wouldn't you?

Also, perhaps the visible role alien could be something like a Crackpot.  I know not all aliens are bad, but it would certainly muddy the waters a bit if the cop found out that this person was an alien when he wasn't.

[Kashyyk]

What I find even more amusing is a Kook Doppelganger.

[Mephansteras]

Hmmm...I suppose there could be Kook Cultists and Goth Doppelgangers, but you can't have Goth Cultists or Kook Doppelgangers (since their abilities are at odds with their actual race).

[Kashyyk]

Why not? I need the lulz!

[Mephansteras]

Yeah, but it's a waste of a slot for the Dopps/Cult.

In any case, new round sign-ups have started.

[Rysith]

Yeah, but it's a waste of a slot for the Dopps/Cult.

That's why I was thinking that it could be more like mind shield, so that a kook wouldn't only be a kook, but could have a "real" power role as well. Though goth cultists and kook doppelgangers still wouldn't make sense, since the kook/goth wouldn't change anything.

[Frelock]

On the contrary, if it's a dopp-only game, and there's a goth dopp, the agent will see him as cult, and appropriately say "WTF?"  Then they talk, and the dopp says he's a goth.  The dopp's real race is therefore hidden.

[Leafsnail]

On the contrary, if it's a dopp-only game, and there's a goth dopp, the agent will see him as cult, and appropriately say "WTF?"  Then they talk, and the dopp says he's a goth.  The dopp's real race is therefore hidden.

So he'd act basically like a Dopp leader?

[Mephansteras]

The only real problem is that the Goth and Kook's role can only be confirmed by a Disciple of Truth or an Alien Scanner. They both show up as 'No Role' to the detective. A Telepath will still see the correct goal, of course, unless they have a mind shield.

For now, Goth and Kook are Human only roles, although I might change that at some point.