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[Pandarsenic]

How can we confirm him though?

[Frelock]

Many ways.  The scum, I believe, have to kill, so a telepath who gets "find" on Kashhyk on the same night as a kill indicates that he's town.  A reporter or scientist who follows him to a house where the kill doesn't take place confirms he's town.  A warden blocking him on the same night as a kill confirms him as town.  Heck, even him pointing out an alien correctly on the same night as a kill pretty much confirms him as town (though it appears we have a shortage of aliens).

Meanwhile, every time the scum kills, they have a chance at either being killed by a Warlock or PWV, and there's a chance they might be discovered by Kashyyk or another power role.

[webadict]

Many ways.  The scum, I believe, have to kill, so a telepath who gets "find" on Kashhyk on the same night as a kill indicates that he's town.  A reporter or scientist who follows him to a house where the kill doesn't take place confirms he's town.  A warden blocking him on the same night as a kill confirms him as town.  Heck, even him pointing out an alien correctly on the same night as a kill pretty much confirms him as town (though it appears we have a shortage of aliens).

Meanwhile, every time the scum kills, they have a chance at either being killed by a Warlock or PWV, and there's a chance they might be discovered by Kashyyk or another power role.

Also, that falls prey to WIFOM.

[Cheeetar]

Kashyyk, did you find a cultist last night?

[Pandarsenic]

Webadict, what do you mean?

[Servant Corps]

I think we can confirm Kasyykk as FBI Agent, but not exactly Pro-Town. He could very well be the last Cultist. Plus, I think the Telepath will see a "Find" on any Agent, Cultist or Human (Meph, I need a mod ruling on this?).

Too much WIFOM for me to worry about.

It looks like, finally, I can be considered pro-town. I still have to survive, but as long as Town wins, this game looks to end rather quickly. Let do a quick rundown.

Confirmed People:
---chaoticjosh, ToonyMan, SnijHen: Town
---Alexhans, Org, JanusTwoFace: Doppelgangers
---Rysith, Duke: Cult of the Old Ones

Our goal is to find the last Cultist.
Let review, from Day 1, what these confirmed people did (more focus on the scum than on the townies though):

Spoiler: *Day 1, Overview: (click to show/hide)

*ToonyMan (Town) posted a lot of strange random things. He did say to Duke (Cultist)

Hello Duke!  I hope you're not anti-town!

*JanusTwoFace (Doppelganger) voted No Lynch, claimed that he didn't want to lynch any innocent townies. He famously stated:

For the record, I am not a dopp.

*Frelock (unknown) called JanusTwoFace (Dopp) out on this, stating that it is impossible to check the validity of statements.
*Frelock (unknown) launched a random vote on SniHjen (Town). SniHjen (Town) voted for Mr. Person (Unknown), seeing inaluct as always scum. ChaoticJosh (Town) responded that it was always Webadict (Unknown) who was scum.
*Frelock (unknown) changed his random vote to ChaoticJosh (Town), because Frelock pointed out the survivor rule, and thought that only scum would want to find out 'obscure rules'. He also stated that SniHjen's humor have saved him. Chaoticjosh shrugged the vote off "You go with your wild hunches".
*Alexhans (Dopp) voted for ToonyMan (Town).

I'm gonna go ahead and vote Toonyman because he will probably try to hide behind his insane avatar and pass off as a crazy person to be allowed to act scummy.

He also said:

what's a Dee O Pee Pee?

This caused SniHjen (Town) to unvote and vote for Alexhans.
*JanusTwoFace (Dopp) talked about Alexhans' (Dopp) action:

Seems like an odd move on Alexhans' part.
A dopp with an intriguing strategy?
A cultist trying to make us think he's a dopp?
A human with... I'm not sure.  A human with a death wish mayhaps?

*Chaoticjosh (Town) tried to start a policy lynch on Alexhans (Dopp), based on his intellect and for Alexhans(Dopp) WIFOMing the town with his confusing "Dopp" joke. Alexhans (Dopp) defended himself by claiming he's allowed to joke in the first paragraph. Rysith (Cult) defended Alexhans, arguing against the Policy Lynch.

Josh: Skill at the game shouldn't be an excuse to preemptively kill someone. What if the medium is a dopp (since that can happen this game). What if Alex is an AWV or agent, or some similarly useful role that won't be nearly as useful if he's dead? Not that I'm accusing you or anything, I remember Alex's deception from last game. Just pointing out that preemptively killing skillful players isn't quite as good as it used to be, and so should be used more cautiously.

*Duke (Cult) made a Roleplaying Post. Roleplaying is a scum tell. Meanwhile, he laid out his obbession with fishies...there is a CoC God that deals with fishies, I know that...
*ToonyMan (Town) reminded people to not forget about the aliens. JanusTwoFace (Dopp) posted a picture stating "ALIENS ARE PEOPLE TOO!"
*Alexhans (Dopp) faked confusion about if aliens exist in the game or not.
*SniHjen (Town) revealed to have created a special trap for ChaoticJosh (Town). By voting for Alexhans on such a crazy joke, he sought to get somebody else to dogpile onto Alexhans. ChaoticJosh (Town) dogpiled, hence ChaoticJosh (Town) is anti-Town.
*Rysith (Cult) random voted for EchoP (Unknown). EchoP (Unknown) posted. Rysith (Cult) then voted for Servant Corps (Claimed Survivor Alien).
*Mr Person (Unknown) voted ChaoticJosh (Town)

Vote Rysith for pulling up BS to vote for Alexhans. You don't vote in mafia based on skill, never.

Oh sorry, You're right, I meant to vote chaoticjosh

After Mr Person voted ChaoticJosh, they got in an argument. ChaoticJosh asked for Mr Person to prove why it was not a good idea to do policy lynches, Mr Person called for all experienced people to be lynched (including ChaoticJosh). Duke (Cult) told that he thought Mr Person and ChaoticJosh are both Town. Then, ChaoticJosh said this:

So wait, you're attacking me for attacking Alexhans, but not attacking Alexhans who's attacking ToonyMan for exactly the same reason? Does that not seem hypocritical of you?

Did the fact that ToonyMan is singled out for his potential unusual playstyle and non-experience just pass right over you?

It's like you refuse to acknowledge that my reasoning is semi-sound, provided that we're in a metaphorical evidence vacuum.

Mr Person responded:

To be fair, I was kinda kidding with the last one.

Anyways, I think lynching Alexhans because he's experienced would be bad because we don't know anything about anybody else. We may wind up lynching him, we may not, but we haven't learned much if we all agree to lynch Alexhans.

Also, you think he's dangerous as scum? How? Mastermind? I could say that about a lot of people. Hard to detect? Read the vibes of everybody else, if they're all town, Alex is scum. You're making it sound like if we don't lynch him he'll kill us all when that's laughably not true.

"I was kinda kidding with the last one"? Paranormal Mafia is srs bssness. Humor is also a scum tell, to laugh off inconvinent truths. Further, it appeared that he was taking about his proposal to lynch all experienced players, and avoiding the hard question chaoticjosh laid on him.

Which was:
Why was Mr Person excusing Alexhans and attacking chaoticjosh?

Duke (Cult) tried to defend Mr Person (Unknown) by pointing out that it is all random voting at this point, but it does not really make sense. The reason Alexhans made for voting for ToonyMan was that ToonyMan would hide behind his humor while being scum. The reason ChaoticJosh made for voting for Alexhans was that Alexhans would hide behind his behavior while being scum. Both Alexhans and ChaoticJosh were advocating Policy Lynches...and only Mr Person sought to attack only ChaoticJosh on this point.

ChaoticJosh has lost this argument on Day 1 and decided to unvote to give Alexhans a chance. He voted for Webadict (Unknown) instead. What I note however is that Nuke came to the defense of Mr Person. Guilt by association doesn't really work though but...
*Servant Corps (Claimed Survivor Alien) posted, voting for Rysith (Cult) for randomly voting all over the place. Rysith (Cult) saw my reaction as a bit too much, and decided to keep his vote. Webadict (Unknown) agreed with Rysith too. SniHjen (Town) actually voted Servant Corps.
*Webadict released his Internet Machine, based on Gambler's Fallacy, and voted for JanusTwoFace (Dopp) He then unvoted later on.
*A_Fey_Drawf (Unknown) called JanusTwoface (Dopp) out on his desire to not be lynched. JanusTwoFace responds:

I'm being practical.  I rather like being alive.  Being lynched now would put a bit of a damper on that plan.  Being eaten (etc) later does as well, but that is later, this is now.

Oh, and I'll vote No Lynch until closer to the end of the day.  We already have a few people voting for everyone under the sun, I'll wait until I have some more evidence.

*Chaoticjosh (Town) unvoted Webadict (Unknown). Webadict unvoted Janus (Dopp) and instead voted Mr Person (Unknown), asking why Mr Person is calling everyone an exterminator alien.

*Webadict (Unknown) asked Janus (Dopp)to provide a suspicion list.

Mmmk, I'll be a little more clear on what I've already said.
- SniHjen was suspicious when 'claiming' anti-town.  That claim has since been clarified but it might have been a slip up.
- Now SniHjen has switched voting to 4 different people, following Frelock and then Rysith the last two times.
- Alexhans and chaoticjosh are both better than average players and were going after each other pretty hard.  I believe that they might be acting to clear the longer lived one later.
- Toonyman is acting crazy, but crazy and dangerous are not disjoint.
- You (webadict) have access to a BS machine.  That seems dangerous to me.
- chaoticjosh has a spider on his shirt.  Everyone knows that spiders are a dopp delicacy and that cultists need spiders for their arcane rituals.  (Who knows what aliens do with them!)

(This lays the groundwork for the SniHjen bandwagon that led to SniHjen rage-quiting.)

*Servant Corps (Claimed Survivor Alien) unvoted Rysith (Dopp) and voted for JanusTwoFace (Dopp), in order to try and get someone lynched. Webadict (Unknown) actually decided to vote for Servant Corps (Claimed Survivor Alien). Rysith (Dopp) used this as an excuse to keep the vote, and continue to campagin for Servant Corps' lynching. In order to stop a bandwagon, Servant Corps (Claimed Survivor Alien) confessed his role and admitted he was scum.
*The Org bandwagon slowly began. R1ck was supsicous that Org (Dopp) was not speaking, and Kasyykk also voted for Org as well.
*Frelock (Unknown) voted Twiggle, but sees JanusTwoFace (Dopp), Webadict (Unknown), ChaoticJosh (Town), and Alexhans (Dopp) as not being suspicious. He commended Webadict/ChaoticJosh/Alexhans as being scum hunters. He also supported Webadict's view of Servant Corps, and said this about SniHjen

SniHjen surprised me with that well-analyzed post.  He could be a Dopp or CotGOO, and just trying to throw us off by seeming to scumhunt, but I have a feeling that he's genuine.

*There was just minor discussion about the Alexhans-Chaoticjosh conflict, and the SC bandwagon.
*Mr Person (Unknown) voted for R1ck (Unknown), but since neither guy is confirmed, we can't really get a bead on them.
*Some Consensus for the Org Lynch, while SniHjen and EchoP began their little schuffle.

So finally, Day 1 complete. I am going to anyalze the next Day later on, it's getting late, but...

I will believe Mr Person is scum and believe he should be the first on the wall, pending Kasyyk's post:
1) His bragging for the Town today seemed a little forced.
2) Showing a double-standard by tolerating Alexhans' call for a policy lynch and voting for ChaoticJosh for exactly the same reason. The only reason I would see Mr Person doing is to try and start a bandwagon, after all, Alexhans is the Lone Doppelganger.

Also, Alexhans:

Servant corps... you're totally wrong...

the chance that the remaining dopp has of killing a cult player is very small 3/19 = 15 %...

you'd rather get a town player killed 85 % of the time?

It's MUCH better to lynch the final dopp and totally eliminate that kill...

besides... with 2 dopp flips... we may have a lot of info going on about who and how interacted with Org (I have some notes already) and who with Janus.

We have good prospects for finding the last dopp.  So it's stupid to propose to find only cultists... Wich know nothing about yet... If a cultist is revealed... of course, we are lynching him.  But our best interests are getting that final dopp.

Isn't your survivor condition influencing you towards the dopps?  cultists cant win with you...

Since you're the Lone Doppelganger, why did you not take me up on my offer?

[Frelock]

As to your question to Meph, SC, I clearly remember Meph stating that the goal of a scum investigator is "find" iff (if and only if) they are using their investigative abilities that night.  Otherwise, it defaults to "kill."  Also, scum cannot both kill and perform an action in the same night.  However, I do forget what the ruling was on how many nights (if any) the cult can specify "no kill."

Look at it this way, if we keep NLing, we've got 13 nights before we hit lylo, plenty of time to gather information and share it.  If we lynch each day, we cut that in half to a mere 7 nights.  Yes, there's always a possibility of a WIFOM, but there's also chances to break it through investigations and good planning.

I'm still curious on who Kashyyk investigated...

[Frelock]

Not that I'm saying that we should take all 13 nights, of course, just that we have them if we need to.  Why kill town for the scum?  In my opinion, the only people who should be lynched are possibly the lurkers, as they will contribute nothing to the investigations.

[Mr.Person]

At this point, I think a full MC might be a good idea.

[Cheeetar]

MC? Do you mean Role Claim or something else?

[Mr.Person]

Yeah, full role claim. Not sure exactly what we can prove, but we might be able to pull a plan out somewhere.

[ToonyMan]

Alexhans is always scum.   

Anyway, I'm dead so I'll slip into the dead chat with my dead people.


TOWN RULES.

[Cheeetar]

I think a full role claim would only be useful if we only sent to Kashyyk or a confirmed townie or something. Definitely not in public.

[webadict]

I think a full role claim would only be useful if we only sent to Kashyyk or a confirmed townie or something. Definitely not in public.

Actually, I want Kashyyk to post his findings. Right now.

[Servant Corps]

Look at it this way, if we keep NLing, we've got 13 nights before we hit lylo, plenty of time to gather information and share it.  If we lynch each day, we cut that in half to a mere 7 nights.  Yes, there's always a possibility of a WIFOM, but there's also chances to break it through investigations and good planning.

If we lynch though, we got a chance of ending the game right then and there.

Plus, I'm worried that that the Cultist, afraid that he might get caught (due to the odds of him getting caught being increasing), may choose to not kill either. If three days pass without the Town or the Cultist killing, then it becomes ...And they all lived happily ever after.

We can't have that! That would drive webadict insane!