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[Atlas]

I went through and removed all bows/crossbows from the raws.
Now my safe to adventure in! A little less FUN, but my last 3 adventurers have died to crossbows...

As long as i don't immediatelly run into a GSS, I can now train my skills!

[piecewise]

I went through and removed all bows/crossbows from the raws.
Now my safe to adventure in! A little less FUN, but my last 3 adventurers have died to crossbows...

As long as i don't immediatelly run into a GSS, I can now train my skills!

Normally its more fun to just make arrows do blunt damage. But indeed removing bows and crossbows all together is nice too, leads to more epic duels and less being sniped in the arse from half a mile away

[Rowanas]

But some of my most awesome adventures involve my dwarf running through a hail of bolts and arrows to get into a group of enemies. The only thing that matches it in coolness is the occasional "Sparta!!!" moment off the top of a dark fort.

[blah28722]

What happens when arrows and bolts do blunt damage?

Does it change the "Hey look, I just killed all your organs" to "Hey look, I just knocked you into orbit from a mile away"?

Or does it make bolts fairly weak and only do things like bruising arms?

[cowofdoom78963]

Or does it make bolts fairly weak and only do things like bruising arms?

Anyway have you tried lowering their damage? I never tried that myself.

[piecewise]

What happens when arrows and bolts do blunt damage?

Does it change the "Hey look, I just killed all your organs" to "Hey look, I just knocked you into orbit from a mile away"?

Or does it make bolts fairly weak and only do things like bruising arms?

Blunt damage makes them insanely less lethal. They might break a bone on a critical hit, but they'll never knock you down or do major internal damage. Unless you take one in the neck and snap your spine. Then the fun begins.


Basically, arrows do 100 damage at the base. For pierce damage thats dangerous, for blunt its rather like a bronze hammer

[Radioactive Zombie]

I went through and removed all bows/crossbows from the raws.
Now my safe to adventure in! A little less FUN, but my last 3 adventurers have died to crossbows...

As long as i don't immediatelly run into a GSS, I can now train my skills!

Normally its more fun to just make arrows do blunt damage. But indeed removing bows and crossbows all together is nice too, leads to more epic duels and less being sniped in the arse from half a mile away

But I like wiping out a pack of bears with a few arrows!

[piecewise]

I went through and removed all bows/crossbows from the raws.
Now my safe to adventure in! A little less FUN, but my last 3 adventurers have died to crossbows...

As long as i don't immediatelly run into a GSS, I can now train my skills!

Normally its more fun to just make arrows do blunt damage. But indeed removing bows and crossbows all together is nice too, leads to more epic duels and less being sniped in the arse from half a mile away

But I like wiping out a pack of bears with a few arrows!

then don't change it. Just don't attack anything sentient because then you'll get your ass shot off.

[HatfieldCW]

Projectile weapons could stand to be readjusted, that's for sure.  Maybe a boost in range and power, and a huge reduction in rate of fire for crossbows, with bows shooting a little faster but dealing somewhat less damage.  I should be able to run four or five tiles while an archer nocks a new shaft, and cover a good ten or fifteen while even a skilled crossbowman reloads.

[Elliott_Thinas]

I think the firing rate is the only problem; other than that I feel it's pretty good. I feel the archers fire with about the accuracy one would find to be real, just they fire so fast it feels like their aim is unbelievable. In the future when we can fight pitched battles against our enemies when the army arc is more developed I'm looking forward to the archers unleashing their deadly arrows against the approaching horde then reloading an appropriate amount of time. Those will be the days (I'm worried by the time Toady is finally finished this game I'm going to be too busy to do these sic things)

[HatfieldCW]

I still think range should be a factor, though.  My crossbowdwarfs don't even open up until the bad guy is about twenty yards away.  If I've got them two z-levels above the enemy, they should open up--with precision penalties--from hundreds of tiles away.

[piecewise]

I still think range should be a factor, though.  My crossbowdwarfs don't even open up until the bad guy is about twenty yards away.  If I've got them two z-levels above the enemy, they should open up--with precision penalties--from hundreds of tiles away.

NOT A GOOD IDEA

think about this.

You walk into town and punch a child. Suddenly you're struck down by 5 arrows from rangers that were sitting on top of the temple.

[Elliott_Thinas]

I still think range should be a factor, though.  My crossbowdwarfs don't even open up until the bad guy is about twenty yards away.  If I've got them two z-levels above the enemy, they should open up--with precision penalties--from hundreds of tiles away.

NOT A GOOD IDEA

think about this.

You walk into town and punch a child. Suddenly you're struck down by 5 arrows from rangers that were sitting on top of the temple.

I don't think this would be that bad as long as the accuracy is believable; most of those shots would miss and if they were firing crossbows it would take a minute or so before they could fire another round.

[zchris13]

Currently, it's Dakka Dakka Dakka, so no. It would be horrible. 8 arrows in 4 frames from 5 archers.

[Sensei]

In fortress mode, I don't have any complaints about the range, and you can always nerf the damage (so that they can pierce eyes and lungs like you'd expect them to, but not often). Apart from that they need a reload time, which I made a suggestion thread for elsewhere. In adventure mode however, a ranged weapon should NEVER be fireable to beyond your field of vision, unless the enemy has a very good reason to be able to see farther than you- but if you're a human in a human town, you should be able to see the shooter if they can see you, ALWAYS. In addition, the message should be elaborated to "The flying arrow hits you in the arm, from northeast and above..." or something.