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[Ralje]

I think diving Dwarfs should relate to the swimming skill in some way. Not so much  determining whether the dwarf drowns while recovering items, but how far a dwarf can dive to.

[Zero Ziat]

quote:Originally posted by Armok:
<STRONG>Rubber tree wood != rubber.
Rubber is made from the sap, the wood is just normal wood.
It's like calling a maple wooden sword a syrup sword, maple wood and maple syrup are not the same thing, neither are Rubber tree wood the same thing as rubber.
Not that I have any personal experiense.</STRONG>

... Mmm, syrup sword, dwarven child candy.

[mickel]

Rubber swords? Sounds like they could be good in sparring.

[Alfador]

quote:Originally posted by mickel:
<STRONG>Rubber swords? Sounds like they could be good in sparring.</STRONG>

Or materials like balsa wood bokken, pumice maces, or aluminum foils.  

[SmileyMan]

Steel diving suits, cooled by pumped water......

Magma divers!

[Tyrving]

I support this idea, and perhaps a mechanism could be used to power the pump that supplies the air to the diver? Anyway, I'm currently on a map with no sand... except for at the bottom of the lake my fortress is built by. I wish I had a way to get to this sand. Divers would be an excellent way to get to said sand.

[Thallone]

quote:Originally posted by Tyrving:
<STRONG>I support this idea, and perhaps a mechanism could be used to power the pump that supplies the air to the diver? Anyway, I'm currently on a map with no sand... except for at the bottom of the lake my fortress is built by. I wish I had a way to get to this sand. Divers would be an excellent way to get to said sand.</STRONG>

try this:

code:

~~~~~~~~~~~
~~+++++++~~
~~+++++++~~
~~++~~~++~~
~~++~~~++~~
,'.','.','. 
where
+ is refloor
~ is water
 and ,.' is shore.

then place pumps on the contraption as follows

code:

~~~~~~~~~~~
~~++%%%++~~
~~+*%%%*+~~
~~%%~~~%%~~
~~%%~~~%%~~
,'.','.|,'. 
where 
%% is a pump
* is a gear
and | is an axle leading to a power source 

when you pump it (almost) dry, you can rewallthe center, extend the refloor out further and repeat until you hit sand

[Tyrving]

Ah, thanks for the diagrams, but uhhh, it turns out that the lake actually FROZE during winter. That made it a good deal easier.

But thanks anyway, I'll keep that in mind for future forts!

[FrozenViolet]

I know this is an old suggestion, but thought I would rebump it because I was thinking about it the other night

It would be great to salvage items from dead things in your moats by sending down a diver attached to some contraption that requires a pump operator.

[TheyTarget]

I think this is nice. But I dont think, it fits in dwarf fort. I'm pretty sure that this technology does not exist in the time frame dwarf fort is suppose to be in. And I just dont think toady would ever do it. But I mean, building in water has already been suggested and would go nicely I think.

[thijser]

Well dwarfs with enough swimming skills should be able to dive and do regular tasks under water (with some exeptions like sleeping ext.). However I think it's a bad idea to add the pumps that would push DF towards the steampunk area which has already been decided not to visit.

[Andeerz]

:3  Apparently, a diving apparatus might be plausibly within the "1400's" tech time-frame Toady wishes to maintain!

Lookit, lookit!!!
http://www.reocities.com/uhexso/forhats.html <--- scroll to the bottom...
http://www.thehds.com/images/covers/cov23lg.jpg

And for your (brief) viewing pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97WD-pEiRD8
Those crazy Danes... I wanna hang out with them sometime...

[TheyTarget]

:3  Apparently, a diving apparatus might be plausibly within the "1400's" tech time-frame Toady wishes to maintain!

Lookit, lookit!!!
http://www.reocities.com/uhexso/forhats.html <--- scroll to the bottom...
http://www.thehds.com/images/covers/cov23lg.jpg

And for your (brief) viewing pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97WD-pEiRD8
Those crazy Danes... I wanna hang out with them sometime...

I take it back. Nice find.

[Andeerz]

:3 whee... history is neeeet.  That diving apparatus was based mainly on pictures from a ~1430's treatise "Anonymous of the Hussite Wars".  If anyone could find an online copy of that, that would be super cool.  There are a lot of pictures and descriptions of plausible military tech from that time period in addition to the diving apparatus.  I think that apparatus was used for placing some sorts of traps (gunpowder mines???) in the water I think... I'm not sure.

[FrozenViolet]

:3  Apparently, a diving apparatus might be plausibly within the "1400's" tech time-frame Toady wishes to maintain!

Lookit, lookit!!!
http://www.reocities.com/uhexso/forhats.html <--- scroll to the bottom...
http://www.thehds.com/images/covers/cov23lg.jpg

And for your (brief) viewing pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97WD-pEiRD8
Those crazy Danes... I wanna hang out with them sometime...

Super neat!!!

Also, according to the picture, the apparatus used a bellows pump, hollow wooden tubes and leather sheathing to connect and reinforce the tubes. All these are already in the game! Very neat.

Another example would also be a diving bell, which was in use at least around Classical Greece times and described by Aristotle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_bell