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Author Topic: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?  (Read 1233 times)

Sutremaine

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Since retracted bridges don't retract any particular way, can an enemy destroy them? I'd imagine not, but I wondered if anyone knew for sure.
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2009, 06:24:43 pm »

No. Retracted grates and hatches can be, however.
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2009, 10:29:22 pm »

Nothing built with the <b, C, _> command can be destroyed.  Ever.

Any furniture placed with the < b > command can be destroyed by some creatures, retractable or not.  That includes doors, hatches, floodgates, statues, etc etc etc.

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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2009, 12:37:44 am »

Nothing built with the <b, C, _> command can be destroyed.  Ever.
Unless it caves in.

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Any furniture placed with the < b > command can be destroyed by some creatures, retractable or not.  That includes doors, hatches, floodgates, statues, etc etc etc.


Unless it's a bridge which is retracted in no direction, effectively vanishing and untouchable by units, which is what the OP is specifically asking about in this thread.
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2009, 01:32:13 am »

A bridge is not furniture.  Ever.   ::)

]Unless it caves in.

I coulda sworn the OP used the word "enemies".  Specifically.

Sheesh. Read for content.

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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 04:15:12 am »

A bridge is not furniture.  Ever.   ::)

]Unless it caves in.

I coulda sworn the OP used the word "enemies".  Specifically.

Sheesh. Read for content.

I coulda sworn you used the word "ever". Specifically.

As in "not only applying to this situation, but to every situation ever" kind of ever. Ever thought about it like that?
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2009, 06:56:30 am »

Nothing built with the <b, C, _> command can be destroyed.  Ever.

Any furniture placed with the < b > command can be destroyed by some creatures, retractable or not.  That includes doors, hatches, floodgates, statues, etc etc etc.


i recommend a further underlining of 'furniture' in your second statement. otherwise it can appear (but not necessarily does to all readers) that you are saying:
i) <b, C, _> = can not be destroyed;
ii) <b, _> = can be destroyed.
when in fact you are saying for the latter (ii) statement <b, 'furniture'> (which does not include bridges and some other 'b' things) = can be destroyed.

just for clarity's sake.
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2009, 11:53:32 am »

bridges can be destroyed though, no? channel out where they're attached and see.
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 12:55:04 pm »

Aspgren - grab the reins.  Or just read the OP.

Yes, ANYTHING can be destroyed - but not by enemies.  We're talking about "by enemies" - or at least the OP was, and I have been.

(For your future reference, this is called "a context", something important in language.  For many of us, anyway.)

No, I don't always bother to add conditions to my answers based on questions that are NOT asked.

Bridges can also be destroyed by <d, n> - but your own dwarves are rarely considered "enemies". ymmv.

zooey - "furniture" is furniture, as defined in the game menus and the wiki. Bridges simply are not "furniture", any more than walls or towers are.
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 04:13:17 pm »

But bridges are neither furniture nor constructions, so your first reply wasn't really answering the OP, which is where I think all the confusion is coming from.
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 04:23:34 pm »

I think dragons and collosi and other building destroyers can destroy bridges, just like in those hilarious stories of dwarves throwing tantrums destroying bridges over magma moats.

As for whether or not a retracted bridge is able to be destroyed, I believe it can, but it depends also on how the building destroyer can access it.

If you build the bridge such that none of its tiles are over any land, I don't think it could be destroyed. But if you build it with one or more tiles touching land, then I think a dragon or collossus may be able to destroy it.

I am speculating here, and I could very well be wrong.
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2009, 04:31:12 pm »

This thread has been derailed.

Most things in dwarf fortress (walls, bridges, locked doors, floodgates, grates,) ect, ect, can not be destroyed by the average creature (human, goblin, other dwarfs), while they can be destroyed by unique ones (dragons, bronze colossus, ect.)

If it's a drawbridge made of anything but bauxite it can be destroyed by magma, if a bridge "retracts" I assume the same is true.

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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2009, 05:22:43 pm »

This thread has been derailed.

Most things in dwarf fortress (walls, bridges, locked doors, floodgates, grates,) ect, ect, can not be destroyed by the average creature (human, goblin, other dwarfs), while they can be destroyed by unique ones (dragons, bronze colossus, ect.)

If it's a drawbridge made of anything but bauxite it can be destroyed by magma, if a bridge "retracts" I assume the same is true.



The mechanism also has to be magma safe. If its a steel drawbridge with a marble mechanism, the mechanism will melt and the steel will deconstruct into bars/blocks, even though the steel itself will not melt.

If any part of the building melts, the entire building will go.
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2009, 06:47:53 pm »

If you build the bridge such that none of its tiles are over any land, I don't think it could be destroyed. But if you build it with one or more tiles touching land, then I think a dragon or collossus may be able to destroy it.
That would make sense. On the other hand, building destroyers can break things without being on their tiles -- statues are impassable but destroyable, and locked doors are impassible until broken.

I don't seem to have had much luck with testing. Giving a spare animal [BUILDINGDESTROYER:2] didn't do anything even when I walled it in with a workshop... I thought that kind of thing didn't need a regen?
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Re: Probably a daft question -- can retracted bridges be destroyed?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2009, 08:16:27 am »

Well, was it a hostile animal?
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