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Armok

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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2009, 10:11:25 pm »

Maybe you should look into finding additional MIDIs to download from somewhere, or how to make your own, rather than just using the defaults?
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2009, 10:52:22 pm »

I really wouldnt know where to start. I'll have a search, but I cant guarentee anything.
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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2009, 09:12:28 am »

@Armok:
In MIDI files actually a great deal of the sound is dependent on the computer/keyboard/"device" playing them. Notice how small the files are? That's because they don't actually contain any sound information - all they have is instructions that say "play instrument 24 now for 2 beats" and the like. MIDI files are actually a replacement for sheet music, not a replacement for recorded albums.

So if a different "instrument" would make something sound better without re-composing the song, you have to do that part yourself, as the person with the device "performing" the "sheet music".

It sounds like you're using Windows, which I know nothing about, but there should be a way to load a new soundfont (a bunch of sampled instruments) into the memory of your sound card. That'll change the way any MIDI file you play sounds.

Another way (in case your sound card doesn't have a wavetable synthesizer built in) is to use something like Timidity to make a fake wavetable synthesis device (Linux only - I assume there's something similar for Windows, but no idea what or how). Then you can remap instruments to different samples using that.

@Manifold1:
If you want to get around the "every computer playing my MIDI file will make it sound different" problem (if it is a problem - all in the eye of the beholder), you should look into MOD files. They were invented back in the day on the Amiga to get around exactly this problem. They're basically MIDI files but they have the instrument samples embedded in them and process them as audio instead of as MIDI instructions, so they do all the synthesis in software ensuring it sounds the same everywhere.

The original MOD format only supported 4 channels (you could have more instruments of course, but only 4 samples could play simultaneously), but modern updates to the format (IT, XM, etc.) support 256 simultaneous channels or higher (the limit is set by your sound card's capabilities if you go TOO high :) ).
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2009, 09:50:07 am »

I know that; the file I sent him was a .wav.
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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2009, 09:59:37 am »

I know that; the file I sent him was a .wav.

Er, right - but my point is the wave file YOU send HIM isn't going to change the way the song sounds on YOUR computer - only on his (unless of course he records the output of his composer as audio and puts that up instead of the midi file).
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2009, 09:12:12 am »

And im back!

I just got back into MIDI making, so I decided to try and do the DF game music. This is all from ear, so if theres any mistakes, its mine. Its not the whole track, just the first 40 seconds or so.

http://www.box.net/shared/nh0p7ya3ai

As well as another original...

http://www.box.net/shared/jiqzk1ez9n

Good? Bad?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2009, 09:25:16 am by Manifold1 »
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2009, 10:09:42 am »

Honestly? Rather bad, but the task is nearly impossible, because the DF song is so disorganized.
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2009, 12:47:26 am »

The game music theme pretty much stopped me dead in my tracks. It's not a perfect replica of the Dwarf Fortress theme, but it's close enough, and in some respect, I like it more than the original; it seems to fit the ASCII... better. Perhaps it was just a sudden attack of nostalgia for the days of Warcraft II, Lemmings, Duke Nukem... but there's something peculiarly charming about it. I look forward to more!

No disrespect to Toady, by the way; the original music is still amazing. Ah, if only there were more. *Wistful sigh*
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2009, 05:23:04 pm »

Not bad. Not bad at all.

Maybe you should try something really hardcore- like, envision Chuck Norris battling ninjas on the surface of the sun at the end of the universe with his mind powers.
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2009, 01:58:55 am »

I could try. MIDI isnt terribly good for epic things like Chuck Norris battling ninjas on the surface of the sun at the end of the universe with his mind powers. Still... I could try.

Would anyone mind if I changed the topic to my creativity corner and showed other random stuff I'm doing, like game concepts and stuff?
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2009, 02:29:57 am »

I have a request.

Could you compose a song that reminds you of ancient ruins, stereotypical Indiana Jones style puzzles? Perhaps a lot of drums, a sort of tense, but slow paced. Like you should think about your next move, but it may be your last.
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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2009, 03:42:45 am »

Argh. Rage of the week. I had just about finished Psyco's request, when anvil crashes on me. Damnit!

Ah well. I can remember most of it.
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2009, 05:29:49 pm »

Argh. Rage of the week. I had just about finished Psyco's request, when anvil crashes on me. Damnit!

Ah well. I can remember most of it.

>:]
« Last Edit: September 14, 2009, 05:45:46 pm by Psyco Jelly »
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2009, 08:57:12 pm »

I'm learning to use anvil, and I find it very intuitive. Here is my first creation, the Song of Storms from Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time:

http://www.box.net/shared/xj2gucgmfz
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Re: Manifold's doing MIDIS
« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2009, 02:05:38 am »

Hey, that's pretty good. Better than my first few tries...

Ive finished both requests, but they're on my laptop, and I cant access that till later tonight. So, Ill have them up in a couple of hours.
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