I can do one more round of discussion I suppose - well, metadiscussion, anyway.
Problem is that you're the one who introduced all these terms into the conversation. You've created an "Us against strawthem" atmosphere
No, the second you said "MMO" was where you unintentionally brought those in. It is often unavoidable.
Um. No. This is exactly what I was talking about. "MMO" does not mean "streamlined mainstream least common denominator". It means "massively multiplayer online [game]". Period, full stop. That's its semantics. That's all
I meant by it. You have a certain pragmatic parsing that differs from that. In the context of this thread, I don't. I was not the one that introduced these ideas to the conversation,
you did.
Look, Neonivek. You take for granted that "MMO" implies certain things. It doesn't necessarily, though. It's contextual. That you insist on interpreting it as doing so regardless of context does not make it so. I gave reason to interpret it otherwise. You chose to ignore it in favor of your pre-existing assumptions. The interpretation you chose to take was hardly unavoidable. To the contrary.
I didn't decide I knew what you were saying in advanced, I just had a general idea...
IOW, you thought you knew what I was saying in advance.
Asked for you to expand... after which you didn't stray from that generalisation.
Yes... funny, that. You ask me to expound upon my comparison of it to an MMO. I proceeded to do so, and focused all my criticism on the generalization that "4e is MMO-esque". Utterly bizarre. Can't imagine why I didn't stray.
After which I said "I heard it before" with the faulted impression that it would actually make you feel more at ease and more willing to talk (Yes I am weird).
"I heard it all before" is generally a phrase used dismissively, not reassuringly. More pointedly, while it could be taken as such given the context, I was somewhat disinclined to do so because at that point you were already putting words into my mouth, suggesting a more dismissive interpretation.
E.g., "From the lack of Instant Kill effects, to no longer disarming someone to rolls a 1, and probably healing surges as well."? Where on earth do you get that from? I see
zero connection between these points and the idea that 4e bears some resemblance to an MMO, either stylistically or mechanically.
Seriously, I have no idea what you were driving at with that point. Which is my overarching complaint. Your argument has included a number of
unstated assumptions about where I'm coming from which are not borne out by a straightforward reading of what I wrote. Hence my assertion that you're trying to use me as a surrogate to have an argument with someone you previously encountered. Which is, to say the least, exasperating.
Wait what? Is this a typo or a freudian slip?
*sigh*
"Bully for you" is a phrase meaning something along the lines of "good for you". It's slightly archaic, and its modern usage tends to include an implication of sarcasm or (as I was aiming for) exasperation in it.
Hmm for some reason I think you played GURPS, that would certainly be close to the definition of convoluted
I never played GURPS. Nor did I ever desire to. I will say that I'd be impressed if it could top the (glorious) convolution of the game I cited
upthread.