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Grendus

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Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« on: July 11, 2009, 04:07:59 pm »

... other than the overkill method of assigning multiple dwarves to haul nothing but food? I keep having miasma spawn from my kitchens because my dwarves left a 45 stack of well crafted roast to rot. Is there any way to ensure my dwarves move the food before it rots without having dwarves assigned to do nothing else?

To go ahead and cover the basics, there is a food stockpile with empty spaces that will accept the food and the dwarves do move prepared meals to said stockpile - sometimes. I have yet to hide anything, and the storage space was dug into a soil layer, so there is no possible way for hidden stone to be there. There is no pathing, storage, blockage, or other problems, this has to do with task priority.
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 04:18:38 pm »

Afaik stones would bother stockpiling anyway. Ida know, you have to have some useless dwarves in your fortress. How about going for at least a few dedicated food haulers, just for testing? If it doesnt work, there's something else you might have overlooked.

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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 04:21:58 pm »

I get the feeling that you're asking if there's any way to elevate the priority of specific hauling jobs, and the only answer I can give you is no, not that I know of. I have often wished I could mess around with job priority in more detail. I may post in Suggestions about it, if no one has done so before me (somehow I doubt this).
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 07:27:58 pm »

It's in the dev list, actually. Somewhat multiple times, even.

Req2 Work priorities/Req86 Job Priorities/Req428 Task priorities per dwarf/Bloat253 Advanced work orders
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 08:14:06 pm »

It's in the dev list, actually. Somewhat multiple times, even.

Req2 Work priorities/Req86 Job Priorities/Req428 Task priorities per dwarf/Bloat253 Advanced work orders

I can't believe I didn't think to look in the dev list. :D
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 12:08:33 pm »

... other than the overkill method of assigning multiple dwarves to haul nothing but food?

... this has to do with task priority.

That's it exactly.  Food Hauling is not high priority, so you need some dwarves who, if not dedicated food haulers, have few other labors than food hauling.  I find that if I put my growers/brewers/plant processors all w/ only food & refuse hauling, they keep things cleared out fairly regularly. 

But I also find that I can't make more than 1 or 2 prepared meals at a time - they just rot too fast; even if someone hauls the first right away, the third can't wait.  (More than 2 clutters up the kitchen anyway.)  Having P'd food stockpiles close to the kitchens helps too, as does any food stockpile re its source, to cut down on task time.
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 12:13:13 pm »

Hmm, I never thought it's bad to have maybe two dwarves that just haul food. Works out nicely for me.

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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 02:01:42 pm »

I always build my kitchens in the middle of food stockpiles.

If the kitchen gets too cluttered, I deconstruct it, then rebuild it.  The cook will move the food onto the nearest accessible tile- which is the food stockpile, so it won't rot there.

A quick if somewhat tedious workaround.
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 08:29:45 pm »

I usually have three or four (by 80 dorfs) dedicated to food hauling... Just make sure to take them from different migrant waves to mix up the sleep/drink cycles a little.

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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 09:51:28 pm »

I usually have no problems with getting food hauled. I keep my kitchens in their own room near food stockpiles, so food is hauled near-instantly.
Of course, I also have a full third of my population hauling. All the useful work is done by a few specialists, and the rest is military or guard.
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2009, 10:01:55 pm »

I usually have no problems with getting food hauled. I keep my kitchens in their own room near food stockpiles, so food is hauled near-instantly.
Of course, I also have a full third of my population hauling. All the useful work is done by a few specialists, and the rest is military or guard.

This is precisely what I do. I generally have 5-10 specific job categories with small numbers of specialists who have only their jobs enabled and no hauling, and then the rest of my nonmilitary dwarves set to a custom 'slave' labor category with hauling and nothing else turned on.
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 03:01:29 am »

It's something that has never worried me!

Then again, I always build my farms at z=-1 around a central staircase, my kitchens around the staircase at z=-2 & my food stockpiles immediately under at z=-3.  With my Dining level under that, at z=-4.   I also tend to separate stockpiles for prepared food, raw food & seeds... with the seed stockpile being on the farm level.

AFAICT, my cooks do their thing, take the prepared meal down to the stockpile then pick up the next lot of ingredients.  Of course, they're also tasked for food hauling. 

maybe other dwarves are actually hauling the prep'd food, but it's only a few steps and is quick.  As I said, it's never been a problem for me, even with several kitchens in full swing, so I've never really looked into who's doing what. 
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2009, 09:51:56 am »

put them in barrels,like all other food,perhaps metal barrels and make dwarfs eat prepared food befor other stuff
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 10:37:31 am »

... other than the overkill method of assigning multiple dwarves to haul nothing but food?

If something needs doing, it isn't overkill to make sure it gets done.
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Re: Any way to keep food from rotting in the kitchens...
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2009, 01:07:29 pm »

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If it gets done, nothing rots.  If it doesn't, it rots. 

If you think you can make that a perfect balance in DF, you're badly confused.
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