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Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« on: July 07, 2009, 01:48:46 am »
I've made a 2 level watchtower, will dwarfs fire crossbows down onto attackers from them?
Or are they only good as eyecandy.
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 01:52:35 am »
Yeah, they will, but the enemies will have to be at least 2 squares away from the base of the tower for yours (unless you build murderholes) only balistas, and catapaults can't fire multiple Z's

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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2009, 02:11:06 am »
So if they're designed like this:

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Level 1
QQQ
Q^Q
QDQ

Level 2
QQQ
Q^Q
QQQ

Level 3

OOOOO
OOOOO
OO^OO
OOOOO
OOOOO

Then they'll shoot like this:

XXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXX
XX     XX
XX     XX
XX     XX
XX     XX
XX     XX
XXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXX
D = Door
^ = Stairs
X = Attack Radius
O = Floor
Q = walls
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2009, 02:15:42 am »
Yep, i might be a little wrong on account of the size of your guard post on top but only by 1 or 2 tiles. but other than that it should work just fine, if not, and you dwarves won't fire at enemies, then you've either got the enemies to close to the tower, or it's a bug.

PS: don't forget fortifications, or your dwarves will be pincushions if the enemy has archers
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2009, 02:17:54 am »
Quote from: kalida99 on July 07, 2009, 01:52:35 am
Yeah, they will, but the enemies will have to be at least 2 squares away from the base of the tower for yours (unless you build murderholes) only balistas, and catapaults can't fire multiple Z's

Yes and no to a certain extends.
More precisely you need a tower with fortification constructed.
Example:
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╬ = fortification

http://www.shoden.org/images/roadtrip/GrandCanyonWatchTower_800.jpg

You shoot through the hole (fortification) at the watchtower. And, you do not have line of sight in someone that lean on the tower wall.

in DF, if your fortification is 3 z-level above, you can only cover 3 tiles away
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2009, 02:23:21 am »
Quote from: EmptyShadow on July 07, 2009, 02:11:06 am
D = Door
^ = Stairs
X = Attack Radius
O = Floor
Q = walls
. = blind spot
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LEVEL 1
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X.........X
X.........X
X...QQQ...X
X...Q^Q...X
X...QDQ...X
X.........X
X.........X
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LEVEL 2
XXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX
XX.......XX
XX.......XX
XX..QQQ..XX
XX..Q^Q..XX
XX..QQQ..XX
XX.......XX
XX.......XX
XXXXXXXXXXX
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LEVEL 3

XXXXXXXXXXX
XXXoooooXXX
XXXoooooXXX
XXXoooooXXX
XXXoooooXXX
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« Last Edit: July 07, 2009, 02:29:13 am by yuhhaur »
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2009, 02:47:19 am »
I see.
So watchtowers are better off with just one floor/none at all.
Are there any bonusses to firing down on opponents?
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 02:58:08 am »
Quote from: EmptyShadow on July 07, 2009, 02:47:19 am
I see.
So watchtowers are better off with just one floor/none at all.
Are there any bonusses to firing down on opponents?

I've heard that bolts do less damage when fired up z levels
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2009, 04:18:01 am »
Quote from: EmptyShadow on July 07, 2009, 02:47:19 am
So watchtowers are better off with just one floor/none at all.

None is a bad idea, because the enemy archers technically stand behind (your) fortfications as soon they reach the tower wall. With all according defense bonus.

So you want to keep them some tiles away from your tower anyway, which will alongside solve the blind angle problem. Surround your tower with a moat in 5 tiles distance for example and you can build this tower 5 levels high without blind zone and enemy movement zone overlapping.  Make this tower accessible only from underground and the defense is relatively idiot proof.
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2009, 04:27:58 am »
Quote from: kalida99 on July 07, 2009, 01:52:35 am
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2009, 04:29:35 am »
The best thing is to have no z-levels, but put a completely encircling channel around your tower and have a subterranean entrance. Doesn't work against flyers though.
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2009, 04:47:35 am »
Quote from: ktstyle on July 07, 2009, 04:18:01 am
Quote from: EmptyShadow on July 07, 2009, 02:47:19 am
So watchtowers are better off with just one floor/none at all.

None is a bad idea, because the enemy archers technically stand behind (your) fortfications as soon they reach the tower wall. With all according defense bonus.

So you want to keep them some tiles away from your tower anyway, which will alongside solve the blind angle problem. Surround your tower with a moat in 5 tiles distance for example and you can build this tower 5 levels high without blind zone and enemy movement zone overlapping.  Make this tower accessible only from underground and the defense is relatively idiot proof.

I could do it with walls too, since monsters cant destroy walls.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2009, 05:49:20 am by EmptyShadow »
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2009, 05:55:24 am »
Quote from: pushy on July 07, 2009, 04:27:58 am
Quote from: kalida99 on July 07, 2009, 01:52:35 am
PS:
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Oh fuck. The fishy stick fad is bad enough on Bethesda's forums, please don't start that shit here as well.

Solution: Right-click image and block all images from that site. Well, for Firefox at least...
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2009, 06:23:03 am »
Quote from: pushy on July 07, 2009, 04:27:58 am
Quote from: kalida99 on July 07, 2009, 01:52:35 am
PS:

Oh fuck. The fishy stick fad is bad enough on Bethesda's forums, please don't start that shit here as well.

hehehe, i found it quite entertaining, but as the forum wishes, i shall do, the fishysticks are no more!
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Re: Will crossbowdwarfs fire down from watchtowers?
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2009, 06:33:52 am »
Quote from: EmptyShadow on July 07, 2009, 04:47:35 am
I could do it with walls too, since monsters cant destroy walls.

Walls give the enemy cover against your archers. I even chop down all trees in the defence area to minimize cover. Don't know if its useful, though.
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