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[Armok]

I have to post while tired, because I have to many things to do and is tired to much of the time to be able to post when I'm not. There simply ain't enough hours to go around.
I have learnt  CP is a bad idea by now, but next time it might be some other tropic I fail to realize is tabo.
I know when I should go to sleep, problem is again that there isn't enough time to go around, and I have to many things at to many varied time so be able to have any stable habits.
PMing someone before starting topics is a ridiculous idea, even if you ignore the embarrassment about having to ask them because it's impossible to know I'll get a quick response, unless I spam it to ten different people which is even more reticulum that I wont even go there.

[Jackrabbit]

True. I guess you'll have to be really careful. I don't see a way around it. But I'm sure you won't post bad topics, seriously and at least Toady knows now not to get too annoyed if you start a topic he doesn't like.

[cowofdoom78963]

Just dont post anything you wouldent show your mother.

[Armok]

Just dont post anything you wouldent show your mother.

I talked whit my mother just fine about that CP article, it was a decent discussion, so that does not apply. In fact, I wouldn't have known not to talk about it whit any random stranger on the street.

[Cthulhu]

Here's a possible rule:

If said subject is something that would get you killed in prison, it's probably not something suitable for the forum.

[Strife26]

Just PM me, I'm usually around, and happy to start controversial arguments.

[Neonivek]

Here's a possible rule:

If said subject is something that would get you killed in prison, it's probably not something suitable for the forum.

Is it just me or is this starting to become warnings to the socially inept?

[Zai]

In fact, I wouldn't have known not to talk about it whit any random stranger on the street.

Stranger danger!

If you think that a topic might be taken offensively, but you're not really sure, it'd probably be a good idea to ask somebody about it before posting. It might also be a good idea to scan through the forum guidelines each time you post a new topic to see if it would obviously be against the rules.

[cowofdoom78963]

Just PM me, I'm usually around, and happy to start controversial arguments.

You can PM me if Strifes not on too! Theres bound to be one of us on the fourm at any given time.

[Anticheese]

It would be best to dull the points a bit on the specific criticisms for people that are still around, self-imposed exile or not.  The issue is more or less settled, and we still have the first guideline concerning respect to deal with.  The forum's in a bit of a flux and there are some behaviors to condemn, but just easing up a bit would be good.  Hopefully everything will be betterish now.

Regarding the "bad" part of your post Armok, saying that you are going to attack the forum if you were ever banned is very bad.  I can't allow such statements to stop me from performing moderation activities.  I was prepared to ban you right at that time, but I didn't want to force the issue if it didn't need to be forced.  Please choose your words carefully and cautiously.  You were very close to being banned, and I'm not going to tolerate that again.

Concerning linking the "new VN" forum, I'm not going to do that.  If people can't stop themselves from posting whatever, they can leave.  I don't want to be associated with what's going on over there.  It's the same reason I removed the link to the new IRC channel, as one of the mods was playing Klan rally the last (and final) time I went in there, and I don't have time to moderate an IRC channel of my own.  This place is what it is.  The rest of the internet is the various things that it is, and google makes it easy to find stuff.

If you want to do things with your buddies here, you can arrange it via PM.  I'm not sure I'm even going to tolerate links to the new VN anymore.  I've decide to remove my own VN to remove any association with this new site and to clear out some of the old offensive crap.  I'll announce that in advance when I set the time for it in case anybody wants to back something up, but I'm pretty sure it's going to happen.

Excuse me Toady, but what on earth do you mean by the ops in the IRC room "playing Klan"? #Bay12games is fairly clean and decent most of the time and as such I'm left somewhat aghast and wondering what is meant by this.

I was wondering why the channel no longer appeared on the website, but I had no idea this was what you thought..

[Armok]

Yea...
I feel bad for saying this, but maybe the long time between releases is affecting Toady as well, or maybe something else is making him over sensitive? This is one of the best communities on the net, but toady seems just... tired of having a community at all, it has because noting but a source of bug rapports, revenue, and annoyance. I'm not saying he treats it as such, he certainly dosn't and he answers question and is generally awesome, but I'm suspecting he's starting to THINK of it that way.

Or maybe I'm the one overacting, and it's not as bad as it seems from my paranoid perspective.

[Toady One]

Here's what I saw in the IRC window when I walked into the room after leaving it on for a while:

Spoiler: the end of my channel log (click to show/hide)

[01:26] <Keiya> Mmm, furries.
[01:26] <@Makrond> It was hilarious when Anticheese just started saying some furry stuff in the middle of a conversation and everyone's like "OMG ANTICHEESE IS A FURRY?!"
[01:26] <A_Fey_Dwarf> Mmm dwarves
[01:26] <@Makrond> Fair point considering mosst of the people in here have known him for years and didn't realise but meh
[01:26] * Elos (~Elos@NewNet-43069C50.dsl.phnet.fi) Quit (Broken pipe)
[01:26] <Keiya> Scalie girls are hot as heck, though
[01:27] <Anticheese> Makrond: Was the fact that I don't use the "word" 'yiff' every couple words a giveaway?
[01:27] * Elos (~Elos@NewNet-43069C50.dsl.phnet.fi) has joined #bay12games
[01:27] <Heph> sheesh that people have to freak out like that. i asume if the internets where dicovered 250 years earlyer everyone would shout now stuff like "ewww blacks"
[01:27] <@Makrond> OMG ANTICHEESE IS BLACK!?
[01:27] <Archi> OMFG
[01:27] <@Makrond> BURN HIM!
[01:27] <Archi> IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
[01:27] <Anticheese> Nigga please. Archi can say how reflective I am
[01:27] <@Makrond> Hehe.
[01:27] <Archi> NO I GET IT NOW
[01:27] <Archi> I THOUGHT IT WAS SUSPICIOUS
[01:28] <Archi> ..Yea I'm too tired to make this run somewhere funny
[01:28] <Archi> I had something but I forgot it.
[01:28] * A_Fey_Dwarf thinks of argonians and shudders
[01:28] <@Makrond> ALL THAT FRIED CHICKEN
[01:28] <A_Fey_Dwarf> Erm, shivers
[01:28] <@Makrond> HE ATE IT LIKE I WAS CANDY
[01:28] <Anticheese> Fuck you....I like watermelon more
[01:29] <Heph> people step away form the capslock - i am serious i start ww3 if you dont.
[01:29] <Heph> mmmmhhhhhhh watermelon
[01:29] <@Makrond> OMG YOU'D LIKE TO FUCK ME WOULDN'T YOU YOU GAY NIGGER D:<
[01:29] <A_Fey_Dwarf> Aahh internets aren't working again...
[01:29] <Keiya> My BRAWL friend code is... ....
[01:29] <Keiya> ...
[01:29] <Keiya> .
[01:29] <Keiya> ..
[01:29] <Keiya> ....
[01:29] <Archi> Makrond: Yes.
[01:29] <Keiya> .
[01:29] <@Makrond> Hehehe
[01:29] <Keiya> ...
[01:29] <Keiya> .
[01:29] * Anticheese gags Makrond's mouth quiet
Session Close: Sat Jun 13 01:30:01 2009

I cut out after that.  This is not the image I want to present to a new DF player joining a Bay 12 channel for the first time, and I can't moderate an IRC channel myself.

[Rilder]

You missed out on the random flirting with Makronds mom.

[Anticheese]

Yes, we have just found the relevant logs and a formal letter of apology is on the way. Be rest assured that this is most emphatically not representative of #bay12games and was a one-off display. The operator in question has willingly stepped down and we strongly hope to prove ourselves to you as a decent channel.

[Captain Mayday]

It's the same reason I removed the link to the new IRC channel, as one of the mods was playing Klan rally the last (and final) time I went in there, and I don't have time to moderate an IRC channel of my own.

We've investigated this and taken what we believe to be an appropriate response. De-op of the mod in question, and formal apology to be issued by that mod. Even though the statements were apparently issued in jest, we ops must hold ourselves to certain standards and refrain from even that. I can't tolerate this stuff from regulars, tolerating it from ops is totally out of the question.