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[Apple Master]

You can't actually kill corpmates for their bounty.

[nuker w]

Hey guys (hey, a few of my SS13 Mates. Excellent...) i'm thinking of giving this a whiz... And well, yea. Is there anyone on now that I could 'crash' with and figure out the game? (And avoid getting raped. Thats some creepy shit.)

[Apple Master]

If by crash you mean share apartment I'm cool with that, although you should note that you can log off in Cube Hotel and you'll be safe 4eva.
Anyway pop on now we're usually pretty active at this time.

[nuker w]

Alright, i'm DeronZ and theres some creep outside this hole i'm in, rapeing a 5 year old, I think it was. GOD DAMN. Oh, and he has a combat knife and i'm naked. God damn it.

EDIT: I'm at the museum. This intro is creepy. Can I just kill them?

[Apple Master]

yes

[nuker w]

I'm out. Could someone meet me at the museum?

[Apple Master]

Are we a little late?
page Randall to get invited to WOMBAT, if that's what you want.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

Who is he and why's he going after us? It sounds like he's taking it rather too seriously, if he's honestly raging about being unable to kill us all.

Fyndir, he tried to gank me in north beach while I was fighting a carnie. He did 26 damage with a powerattack by the time I managed to switch focus to him, so I hauled ass out of there. Later he was fucking with Dirg, and we attacked him in slagtown so Dirg could retrieve his cocoon. He would have died, had NDY not shown up and attacked superdude, at which point I stopped attacking fyndir and tried to get super out of there with a grab + shove to north. This failed, NDY killed him, and I ran off. Fyndir survived, just.

[Bouchart]

Edit: Meant to post this in a different thread.

[beorn080]

I had an idea for Headbutt balancing.

Rather then nerf headbutt, though the damage it inflicts could use a bit of a tweak downwards, it would make more sense to give other options. Personally, I see modifying Bleeder to give a Headbutt esque command as well. Specifically, Rend (target) which would inflict bleeding wounds on the target based on Cool and Blade. It would also give stun resistance when in a frenzy.

[devek]

[stupid]
The counter should be a unicorn fursuit.

Why? It would be funny to force people to wear a fursuit.
[/stupid]

[Kagus]

I thought frenzy already gave stun resistance?  Or was that just against feinting?

Anyways, not quite sure I agree with you on the bleeder point.  What about fist users with Ripper claws?  They wouldn't have very high skill in blades or Cool.  And being really good at bleeding yourself doesn't necessarily translate into being good at making other people bleed.

Frankly, I think the path that needs to be taken is one of giving another defense against headbutting, rather than adding something else that's just as bad.  As it stands, Hooligan is just a given for any serious PvP character, due to its ease of use and effectiveness, and how nothing can really stop it aside from being super-hulk or just running away and not getting hit (or being a faster, better Hooligan than the other guy).

One other possibility would be for there to always be a chance of causing brain damage in the headbutter.  With there always being a potential downside to nutting someone, it would at least decrease its use and make players only rely on it when they feel they absolutely need to.  Unfortunately, a primarily physical build suited for the Hooligan mutation would not suffer that much from the occasional case of brain damage.

Someone mentioned including a grab roll as part of a successful headbutt.  While I do agree that this makes sense, it wouldn't really change matters much due to Hooligans, in general, being pretty effective when it comes to wrasslin' with people.  And it may very well make it more difficult to get away from them.


I'm really not sure what would tone down Hooligan while keeping it useful for the people who really want to take it.  It's just a little too much of a standard as it is now.

Beorn was talking ingame about how the more physical warriors like fist and spear users are perfectly suited for taking the very powerful Hooligan mutation, as they're likely to have both high Endurance and high Brawn.  Sword/Gun users like him don't have anything like that, which I think is the main reason he was going on about giving Bleeder something to nab people with using blades and Cool.

However, I have to wonder if being able to effectively use guns is in and of itself the bonus that rounds out that path.  I can't really say, not having much experience with such matters.


Oh, yeah...  Fully geared up and raring to go, I can top 22 total in medical skill.  Might be time to start muckin' about with brain surgery.

[beorn080]

Guns are good, but there is no advantage in the vs headbutt as opposed to any other weapon type. You can aim, but unless you have a macro, aiming is aim pump at * vs hb *, so pure typing headbutt will always be faster, and you can't aim in combat.

And yes, I'm fine with ripper claws not being optimum to inflict bleeder damage with my proposed bleeder change.

[Eagle]

One other possibility would be for there to always be a chance of causing brain damage in the headbutter.  With there always being a potential downside to nutting someone, it would at least decrease its use and make players only rely on it when they feel they absolutely need to.  Unfortunately, a primarily physical build suited for the Hooligan mutation would not suffer that much from the occasional case of brain damage.

Brain damage actually increases brawn.

[Kagus]

What?  I thought that was just the Down's syndrome mutation.  Regular brain damage will actually increase your brawn?

Hell, that's even worse...


I tried asking a question on Zotnet earlier, and, well...  I guess I could have rephrased something better, but it still didn't change the fact that the admins weren't being hugely helpful.  Or anyone else, for that matter.

And for the insolence of standing up for myself, I may have narrowly avoided a booting or banning from something.