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[Sprout]

So, feeling like a challenge, I embarked on a terrifying glacier biome (with plenty of wood) and started building a fortress out of ice. Apart from the occasional skeletal sasquatch, there hasn't really been anything of note that has happened. However, I earlier found a magma pipe within the ice that was full of obsidian. I suspect that there's magma underneath, in the rock layers, but I have plenty of wood for the forge and found a nice little vein of coal. So, should I dig for the magma now, or wait and set something ridiculous and dwarven up first?

[Stargrasper]

Considering how scarce wood is, especially since you probably aren't growing much of it on a glacier, you might want to go for the magma.  Your wood is far better spent on the things that outright require it, like beds.

[Sprout]

Yeah, but when I say I have a lot of it, I mean I have.. around 600 or so. I think I went a little overboard on embark, but i'm in no danger of running out any time soon.

[Stargrasper]

So you have a few hundred...you aren't getting much more beyond that.  Will it survive the ENTIRE life of the fortress?  Think about the things you need it for.  With that much, it might not hurt to kill some of it, but remember, you're going to run out sooner or later.  You should definitely tap the magma source if it's within reason for you to do so.  You're going to be smelting a fair bit of metal, most likely.

And FYI, when you specifically ask for advice and then outright reject it when it's offered, it annoys certain users.

[Sprout]

I think I will wait for the caravan to bring some steel before I tap it, but the elves are bringing me tons every spring as well, so again, I don't think wood is going to be a problem.

I did not intend to reject your advice, I merely was stating that wood was not an issue and I wasn't going to use it's scarcity as a factor in my decision. I apologize if I offended you.

[Stargrasper]

I think I will wait for the caravan to bring some steel before I tap it, but the elves are bringing me tons every spring as well, so again, I don't think wood is going to be a problem.

I did not intend to reject your advice, I merely was stating that wood was not an issue and I wasn't going to use it's scarcity as a factor in my decision. I apologize if I offended you.

Yeah the dwarves always show up if there's land at the edge of the map...but you found a glacier with elves?  My experience on glaciers is that they're generally remote and rarely have other civilizations present.

Anyway, since you're well prepared for not having a local source of wood, you can use it how you see fit, but remember, you're still going to run out after a few years...it's not like there's much around to kill the fortress before that happens.  Good luck.  Keep us posted how it goes.

[Dakk]

So you have a few hundred...you aren't getting much more beyond that.  Will it survive the ENTIRE life of the fortress?  Think about the things you need it for.  With that much, it might not hurt to kill some of it, but remember, you're going to run out sooner or later.  You should definitely tap the magma source if it's within reason for you to do so.  You're going to be smelting a fair bit of metal, most likely.

And FYI, when you specifically ask for advice and then outright reject it when it's offered, it annoys certain users.

Said users should suck it up

Wood is rarely a problem if you have some to start with, as long elves can reach you, though i'd sugest to keep at least 150 trees/logs for beds, but you'll never need more then 200, unless you modded the game, avoided killing your dwarves (ololol right) and played your fortress for a looooooooong time.

You won't be needing charcoal since you have lava anyway, and with some clever use of magma, you could get enough water to grow a tower cap farm in underground soil.
Your site sound specially fun, any idea if it has HFS and hostile goblins nearby?

[Stargrasper]

You won't be needing charcoal since you have lava anyway, and with some clever use of magma, you could get enough water to grow a tower cap farm in underground soil.

Don't towercaps only grow if the underwaters source is a natural source?

[Dakk]

I personally never had trouble getting towercap to grow in my underground pipe system channeling water from a brook, with me they just grew sometime after i got flowing water underground, by artificial or natural means. Although i don't exactly remember which version i used at that time.

[Demetrious]

I personally never had trouble getting towercap to grow in my underground pipe system channeling water from a brook, with me they just grew sometime after i got flowing water underground, by artificial or natural means. Although i don't exactly remember which version i used at that time.

WHAT

Can you confirm this? Can you? Because if you can, this might mean I can finally try my "deep mountain" fortress in the middle of an inaccessible mountain chain... (using Embark Anywhere, of course.)

[Jim Groovester]

I think you definitely need to tap the magma pipe. Magma makes everything more convenient, especially on a freezing biome when fresh water can be hard to come by.

Using magma and clever mechanics, you can make infinite water on your glacier map. Then you can start making ice castles using bucket brigades.

There's more to magma than just the convenience it lends you in forging.

[Sprout]

Since it's not in a mountain, no HFS, unfourtunatly, and so far i've only had the usual goblin snatchers. If it gets too boring, I might try to start a war with the elves.

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe that you need to have discovered a cave river/pool to grow towercaps, no matter where the water sources from.


As for water, i've found that collapsing some ice into the rock layer creates a nice cistern, and i'm not ambitious enough to try a 'true' ice castle, in favor of just using 'water' stones.

[Dakk]

I personally never had trouble getting towercap to grow in my underground pipe system channeling water from a brook, with me they just grew sometime after i got flowing water underground, by artificial or natural means. Although i don't exactly remember which version i used at that time.

WHAT

Can you confirm this? Can you? Because if you can, this might mean I can finally try my "deep mountain" fortress in the middle of an inaccessible mountain chain... (using Embark Anywhere, of course.)

Only if i start a new fort, which i haven't in some time, trying to wait for the new version first so that superbly worked fort i built for weeks doesn't end up getting scrapped for the new version.
Though i'm not sure right now, said brook ran underground aswell and only surfaced thanks to a chasm crossing sorta touching it.

So yea, it may have been an underground source :S

[zchris13]

Any snakemen, lizardmen, or giant olms? Then it was a UR.

[Sprout]

..Three words..


Skeletal Fire Imp.



(in other news,  the magma has been routed, and i'm very glad I put those steel grates in)