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Samus1111111

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wild animals giving birth while captured????
« on: July 04, 2009, 11:39:43 am »

I have a bunch of cage traps set up so I can capture invaders to use in my gladiator arena and some wild groundhogs got caught in them. So I built the cages with the rest of the cages containing creatures to be used in the arena and just recently I get a message that some groundhog pups were born. I thought that they couldn't mate if they were in separate cages. What happened?
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2009, 11:41:13 am »

It got pregnant before you put it in the cage.
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2009, 11:44:29 am »

... or I envy that groundhog...
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2009, 11:47:00 am »

... or I envy that groundhog...
No matter how much you envy something, that is not a cause for it give birth spontaneously.
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2009, 01:10:34 pm »

it's been in the cage for over 2 years....

I don't think it was pregnant before it was caged
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2009, 04:05:16 pm »

You're probably just mistaken.  Sorry if I sound like a jerk, but it wasn't in a cage until recently, if at all.  There may be some running around somewhere.
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2009, 08:21:12 pm »

Do groundhogs have babies? If they do just find out where it is and that should settle the dispute, if not oh well
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2009, 08:25:56 pm »

the babies are in the cage with their mother which has been sitting in my cage area for at least 2 years
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2009, 10:13:15 pm »

Hrm?

Last I checked, the game didn't care at all if the parent animals could access each other - so long as they were on the same map, they can do the deed.

I've has a tame bear become a mommy from a wild male that was only on the map edge for less than a month, on the other side of a river to boot (no bridge at that time).
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2009, 10:23:06 pm »

oh, ok, that answers that question. Dang, I hope I don't get a groundhogplosion before I kill them in my arena.....
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2009, 10:25:34 pm »

Worst case, you should, IIRC, be able to butcher them if they are still in a cage.
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2009, 05:40:29 am »

Worst case, you should, IIRC, be able to butcher them if they are still in a cage.
Put the butcher's shop close though.  We all know how annoying it is to have cats adopt him at the last moment.
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2009, 06:41:43 am »

"groundhog" is now a euphemism for "cat".

also, caged animals can't get get pregnant.
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2009, 11:36:53 am »

There is a lot of misleading information here.

First, its old knowledge that all living being in DF reproduce in the way of incorporeal telepathically transmitted spores. It does not matter if one or both parents are caged or inaccessible to each other. They just have to be on the map while it happens. Its kinda like telekinetic pornography.

Second, where do you people get the idea that creatures in DF get pregnant? There is no maternity period defined in the creature raws leading me to believe that creatures in DF give birth spontaneously without a "waiting period". Might be a interesting question for Toady, though.

This said, you shouldn't worry if your arena-groundhogs multiply spontaneously. Unlike cats, they don't abduct dwarves in order to escape the butcher's shop and protect against other harm you might wish upon them. If the groundhogs multiply its just more of them for the slaughter.
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Re: wild animals giving birth while captured????
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2009, 04:18:42 pm »

Second, where do you people get the idea that creatures in DF get pregnant? There is no maternity period defined in the creature raws leading me to believe that creatures in DF give birth spontaneously without a "waiting period". Might be a interesting question for Toady, though.
Giving birth at fairly regular intervals is a bit of a clue. Here, I've run a fort for a little over a year and recorded what's happened with the pets I brought with me (2 dogs, 2 horses, 2 cows). I also got a donkey and a second male horse from the wagon.

I had intended to go potentially up to three or four years, but I was getting a little bored and had proven everything I needed to by the time the elves arrived, so I gave up then :P

I brought a cage with me on embark, set it up immediately and caged the female cow. This was all managed on the first day (Granite 1st, 104). This was done in the interest of looking into whether a female animal brought along will start the game pregnant (I'd probably need to do a much larger-scale test of this to prove anything, I just did this out of curiosity). I know caged animals will not become pregnant while caged (large livestock farms and caging of almost every cat in most games has taught me that quite thoroughly), but this was something a bit new to me.


After getting all my food and booze prepared, in late Spring one dwarf killed the other six to preserve the food (only one dwarf eating it rather than seven).

Summer came and went. The dwarf looking after himself, nothing interesting with the pets yet. I killed the extra horse and donkey to take them out of the equation in mid/late summer.

Limestone 1st, 104 (first day of Autumn), the horse had three male foals. Limestone 7th, the dog had a male puppy. All four newborns were butchered.

Winter came and went. Nothing of interest at all.

Granite 1st, 105 (first day of Spring), I killed the male horse and released the female cow from the cage it had been held in for the previous year. No calves throughout the year would suggest that the cow was not pregnant before entering the cage and therefore did not start the game pregnant.

Granite 17th, 105, the horse gave birth to three foals (two male, one female). The elves arrived later that day, and I got two puppies (one male, one female) the following day.

On Granite 17th, there was just one horse on the map. The only wild animal on the map was a mountain goat. The elves (who arrived later in the day) used a muskox and donkey as pack animals, and the only caged animal they brought for trade was a cat. A female must have a male partner in order to give birth (I'd have a hell of a lot of kittens in some other forts if this weren't the case :P) and I had killed the last male horse 16 days earlier, therefore the female must have been pregnant.
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