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Vynergy

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Passive Defenses.
« on: July 01, 2009, 10:29:01 pm »

I am just starting dwarf fortress again, also relearning the game.

How could I make a passive defense system, that requires minimal maintenance but is very effective? I want to eventually create a giant killzone that requires very few dwarves to maintain, just so I can sit back and laugh maniacally.

Any ideas would be appreciated. Might go with magma but... I've had bad luck with the stuff...
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 10:30:50 pm »

Weapon traps. Use obsidian if you have it. Maybe about 200 copper axes in a hallway or something similar.
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 11:00:47 pm »

Depends on what mods you're using, but with vanilla stonefall traps are adequate, tho' it'll take quite a few to deal with a megabeast.

Depending on the age of the fortress, I've usually relied on about 1-3 rows of cage traps (for the meat and amusement factor) followed by maybe 2-5 rows of stone traps, and then weapon traps (once I have exceptional mechanisms and weapons to spare) for anything that can make it through the previous.  And then my guard animals & military.
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 11:01:29 pm »

Low-maintenance?

Ranged weapon traps aplenty. They don't jam!
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 11:51:44 pm »

Ranged weapon traps do need to be reloaded frequently, which counts as maintenance.

Magmafall traps have pretty low maintenance, as they can't jam and automatically destroy the uninteresting loot. Make a bridge and hook it up to a lever. Trap your opponents on the bridge using whatever methods seem appropriate, then flip the bridge to drop the enemies one z-level lower down. Pour magma into that z-level. Have the magma drain through bauxite (or iron) grates in the floor, into the cistern that feeds the pumps that pour the magma in. Easy-peasy, everything that isn't useful metal is burned away.
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2009, 12:36:43 am »

First time posting, but I personally use a 'firewall trap'.

Basically dump some coal/lignite/burnable substance on the ground, put in just enough lava (or other ignition source) in to ignite the fire field then drain/evaporate.

Trapdoors/grates above to refuel as needed by dropping fresh fuel into the fire.

For fun set some pressure plates/levers to the refueling area and use booze bombs above to make it explody.

Great for dealing with almost all annoyances, eg:
elves, immigrants, elves, nobles, elves, caravans, elves, 'invaders', elves, humans, elves, random wildlife, elves, diplomats.
And especially elves.

Advantage: Fire, possibly explosive.
Disadvantage: Fire, possibly explosive.
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 01:17:16 am »

the problem with stone/cage traps is that they have to be changes after each use, and weapons traps get jammed from time to time. a trap that you would want would be a long hallway of a pressure plate/Drawbridge combo.
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2009, 12:49:48 pm »

or upright spike/pressure plate combo if you want loot
or cage and tame some dragons/colossi/GCS and use those.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2009, 12:56:54 pm »

or upright spike/pressure plate combo if you want loot
or cage and tame some dragons/colossi/GCS and use those.

Pro the Spike thingy, just do it with a lever, more fun and only one dwarf to micromanage everything :D <q, a, P> and you can laugh manically for years!  ;D
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2009, 01:13:39 pm »

<q, a, P>

I think you mean <q, a P, r>
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2009, 01:17:50 pm »


Pro the Spike thingy, just do it with a lever, more fun and only one dwarf to micromanage everything :D <q, a, P> and you can laugh manically for years!  ;D

GENIUS! I was inspired by that =D I SHALL HAVE A CHILD PULL THE LEVER. AND THEN, AFTER THREE YEARS OF PULLING, HE WILL BE VLAD THE IMPALER OMFG
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 01:53:37 pm »

a drawbridge with a small ditch is impervious to anything.  of course, this will cause invaders to just wait for you to open it again.  so you might want to create a long back-enterance to your fort that passes through a narrow trap-land or something.
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2009, 02:04:05 pm »

Abuse pathfinding with some traps and doors...
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WWWWBWWWWWWWW
W^^^B^^^D..WW
W^WWBWWWWW.WW
^^WWBWWWWW...
W^WWBWWWWW.WW
W^^^B^^^D..WW
WWWWBWWWWWWWW

the ^s are traps, Ds are doors, . is floor, W is wall, the line of Bs can be replaced be trap corridor of arbitrary length and twistyness. Enemies come from left. Before the doors is a pressure plate that closes the nearby door and another that opens the other one.
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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2009, 09:35:53 pm »

I find that glass works really well, too. If you start your glass industry asap making raw glass, you'll have a nice stockpile for the gem cutters to train up on eventually. Then you can start churning out masterwork glass serrated discs, which despite doing 50% damage still raise hell when there're 10 of them in a weapon trap with a good mechanism.

The advantage of glass is that it's completely free and inexhaustible, so you can just plaster the whole fortress with traps. After a squeeze down a tunnel lined with 2000 discs, there's not going to be much of that siege left.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2009, 09:38:31 pm by Xinael »
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Re: Passive Defenses.
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2009, 07:08:50 am »

Well that's my second row of defence, for when I'm too slow with pulling the lever to my glass spikes  ;D
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