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[Puck]

Readin this thread really gives me the chills. People don't seem to question any laws anymore.

The world is NOT alright, and it would be a good thing to get a lot of the majors bankrupt. We need new approaches for a lot of stuff and the only way to get people thinking is probably... I dunno... so many people losing their jobs at once that the world finally notices.

Because sheeple tend to believe any bullcrap that is fed to them.

[woose1]

Even sheeple have their limits on that front. I don't think sheeple would react well at all to a total overturning of their everyday lives.

[IndonesiaWarMinister]

Even sheeple have their limits on that front. I don't think sheeple would react well at all to a total overturning of their everyday lives.

I would.

Oh, I'm not the average Joe


...

Oh crap, did I just woke Sniper Joe up?

[Puck]

Even sheeple have their limits on that front. I don't think sheeple would react well at all to a total overturning of their everyday lives.

Quote simpsons:
"Run wild, shatter the boundaries, slash and burn! - Without alienating anyone"

 

[Maric]

[quote author=Goron link=topic=38080.msg629784#msg629784 Especially when we have developers publicly indicating they produce games for consoles instead of computers because of piracy (no quote or link available at the moment, you just have to go by faith on this one).
[\quote]

This was Gears of War 2  .

I couldn't help but grab this quote here because it was such a funny story.
The makers of GoW made a public announcement that there second game was not coming out for PC because of two reasons. First: To easy to pirate stuff on PC, Second: 360 was "unhackable and never can have pirated games on it" (not exact words but its summing it up). What happened? A week before the game came out it was ripped, patched and released all over the net for all modded 360s.

They challenged people who did the dirty work and they lost by a long shot.
Funny thing is they shut there trap quite quickly.


Anyway my view on pirating? Make decent games before you start whining about pirates. How long was the new Terminator game? 3-4 hours? How much did it cost when it first came out? $60-50, around there. Worth it? No.

That company has no right to complain about pirating on that one game.

[Areyar]

@ dreighe2: (copy tax)
I recently read an article that our (or another EU) government put up a proposal to do just that: track all downloads and copies and tax/fine alleged piracy. Not worried about it ever passing even through the coarsest evaluation though, it would need to trample too many privacy rights to be ever feasable within a supposedly free country.
(In fact 'the industry' already got there indirectly in getting a copytax on all media carriers, regardless of use.)

Also concerning piracy: IMO EULAs are piracy or a similar robbery from the side of publishers, they demand we agree to them not being responsible for their product or any damages said product does top me or my stuff, allow them unrestricted access to our system, etc.
I just want to write a similar article that states that when anyone is forced to agree to an EULA in order to use a product, said EULA is void. That and various ridiculous demands that become valid as soon as an illegal EULA is signed, such as unending product support until such time as there are no registered users left to serve.

[Sordid]

They challenged people who did the dirty work and they lost by a long shot.
Funny thing is they shut there trap quite quickly.

Which is of course why copy protection schemes are completely counter-productive. The cracker groups compete with each other in breaking them, not for money but for prestige within the scene. Challenge them with a better copy protection and you only spur them to an even greater effort.

Also concerning piracy: IMO EULAs are piracy or a similar robbery from the side of publishers, they demand we agree to them not being responsible for their product or any damages said product does to me or my stuff, allow them unrestricted access to our system, etc.

My sentiments precisely. Not responsible for damage caused by using their product? Name ONE other industry where the consumers go along with something like that! It's lunacy!

[Neonivek]

The Problem with donation based systems is that they compete with eachother a lot more strictly then other systems.

Someone is less likely to donate multiple times then they are to buy multiple products.

The Donation market works because everyone isn't in the donation market.

Or in otherwords there isn't enough people in the world to replace the capitalist market with a donation based one.

Oddly enough the system people are saying is likely to replace the one we have now is a Microtranslaction market where everything basically comes incomplete and we pay individually for "Upgrades". This system does very well even in Pirate plagued systems (Places where you can quite litterally fail because people pirated your product to death) and people tend to overpay for services that if packaged would have otherwise have cost a lot less.
-I hate this system but it works...

[Sowelu]

Also concerning piracy: IMO EULAs are piracy or a similar robbery from the side of publishers, they demand we agree to them not being responsible for their product or any damages said product does to me or my stuff, allow them unrestricted access to our system, etc.

My sentiments precisely. Not responsible for damage caused by using their product? Name ONE other industry where the consumers go along with something like that! It's lunacy!

Most of them actually...  If your dishwasher melts your plastic plates, TOO BAD.  If a game actually destroys your hard drive physically, somehow, that might be along the level that you could sue the maker of a physical product for.  But generally there's not much real harm.  Annoyance, yes, harm, no.

[Neonivek]

Some people forget that according to the law there are certain things the EULAs cannot do (Not to mention in certain countries such as Canada they have the legal power of konfetti because people don't read them)

Most aspects of the EULA simply break the law and are unapplicable.

If your dishwasher melts your plastic plates, TOO BAD

Bad example. In this case it is because the user wasn't using the product properly. The EULA doesn't need to mention damages based on improper use.

Other then that I have nothing wrong with the rest of it... I am just filling out posting space I guess.

[Sowelu]

Most cases of installed software causing damage are also cases of customer misuse.  It might be that it's impossible to use the product correctly on your machine (IE, conflicting software causing crashes, etc) but then again, if you have soft plastic plates, don't buy a really hot dishwasher.

[Neonivek]

Most cases of installed software causing damage are also cases of customer misuse.  It might be that it's impossible to use the product correctly on your machine (IE, conflicting software causing crashes, etc) but then again, if you have soft plastic plates, don't buy a really hot dishwasher.

Or set it to cold clean mode. PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT!!!

[dreiche2]

The Problem with donation based systems is that they compete with eachother a lot more strictly then other systems.

Someone is less likely to donate multiple times then they are to buy multiple products.

The Donation market works because everyone isn't in the donation market.

Or in otherwords there isn't enough people in the world to replace the capitalist market with a donation based one.

Well several things here, assuming we're talking about the music industry:

1) There is still merchandise, gigs, etc.
2) Yes, overall there might be less money going into the music industry, but I would imagine that compared to the old days, it's mostly the super stars that suffer, whereas small artists might actually benefit from the new distribution system.
3) Apart from that, in any case there is still the issue that the old system might still be replaced by a new one simply out of necessity, with the old ways of distribution becoming obsolete. Even from a "capitalist" point of view: When the distribution is effectively free (unless enforced otherwise by law), then it's the *making* of music that people should buy from artists. And from a free market point of view, either they pay them or they don't. Alternatively, you need the taxation.

[Neonivek]

I was actually was speaking of the market as a whole rather then just

1) There is still merchandise, gigs, etc

That only applies to a small percent of the music industry anyhow. The Vast Minority

small artists might actually benefit from the new distribution system

Naw, it anything it will be even worse for them since as I said people tend to explore less with charity. (Hurray for the music industry!)

there is still the issue that the old system might still be replaced by a new one simply out of necessity, with the old ways of distribution becoming obsolete

The Old way can never really become Obsolete. The problem is that the new ways people are proposing either
A) Work and are EVIL!!! (DANG IT microtranslations I hate you!)
or
B) Work but only on a small scale

[magellan]

I was actually was speaking of the market as a whole rather then just

1) There is still merchandise, gigs, etc

That only applies to a small percent of the music industry anyhow. The Vast Minority

My sarcasm detectors aren't working right now.
That was sarcasm right?
Performing is pretty big, has always been, and if i were to predict the future i'd say it is going to topple recordings as the major source of income for musicians. (20 years if i play safe, 10 seems more likely to me)