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Neonivek

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Re: RIP The Pirate Bay
« Reply #120 on: July 02, 2009, 06:36:09 pm »

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Performing is pretty big, has always been

No Sarcasm here. But the type of Performance and Merchandise they are refering to only applies to a very small fraction of artists.

Hense the term "Vast Minority"

Though I guess it depends on what field your in if your "Performances" earn you less then someone at McDonalds or if it has the ability to instantly make you a millionair (Warning: Not the same kind of performances I am mentioning above)
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magellan

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« Reply #121 on: July 02, 2009, 07:12:30 pm »

Concert tickets go from 5 euro for your average garage band to 500 Euro for a good seat for a famous orchester. customers range from 20 to 20.000 or something like that. It can't be pirated (Ok, when i was younger i used to sneak into concerts at the end when the ticket guys started to get bored regularly ;) )
Theater doesn't go as high because of the TV competition.
It only is an option for the ... well... performing arts (hence the name i guess), that is true. But the performing arts where those who benefited the most from recording too.
 
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« Reply #122 on: July 03, 2009, 04:12:08 am »

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1) There is still merchandise, gigs, etc

That only applies to a small percent of the music industry anyhow. The Vast Minority

"The money that musical acts are receiving from concerts has soared, and has now exceeded songwriting royalties for the first time in history".


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small artists might actually benefit from the new distribution system

Naw, it anything it will be even worse for them since as I said people tend to explore less with charity. (Hurray for the music industry!)

"the Long Tail also has implications for the producers of content, especially those whose products could not — for economic reasons — find a place in pre-Internet information distribution channels controlled by book publishers, record companies, movie studios, and television networks. Looked at from the producers' side, the Long Tail has made possible a flowering of creativity across all fields of human endeavour."

Think Toady One. He wouldn't even exist pre-internet. It's hard to tell how the overall picture looks like without numbers, but I still think that small and independent artists benefit overall.

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there is still the issue that the old system might still be replaced by a new one simply out of necessity, with the old ways of distribution becoming obsolete

The Old way can never really become Obsolete. The problem is that the new ways people are proposing either
A) Work and are EVIL!!! (DANG IT microtranslations I hate you!)
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B) Work but only on a small scale

The old way I was referring to is people paying for the distribution of music (not the whole non-donation based economy, mind you), instead of paying for the making of music. The hypothesis is: Distribution of music is now without cost, so there is simply no economic reason why people should make money here. Most of the middleman music industry is obsolete. Either artists find a way to get money from their customers directly for the service they provide, which is making (writing) music, or, well, they don't. Then the industry must change, and artists live from performing music etc.

As for software, the situation is somewhat different from music because the developers have significantly more control over it, simply because it's not just the recordings of sound. But even there, you could interpret certain changes as a similar paradigm shift, for example with MMOs: People don't pay for a product, but for a service...
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« Reply #123 on: July 03, 2009, 06:52:00 am »

Actually for me the answer would be no, since a perfect copy would include my logo. I would lose nothing and gain a bit of free advertising - a net gain, from my point of view.

So more people can come and copy your product? ::)
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« Reply #124 on: July 03, 2009, 07:52:15 am »

On EULA's, the whole "Not responsible" thing is completely legitamate. Its utterly impossible to predict issues with every computer system in existence and add patches for each one. If it wasn't for this, which is typically one of the few EULA rules upheld, there wouldn't be any software companies, as the second their software alledgedly caused problems with a computer, they would be sued.
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« Reply #125 on: July 03, 2009, 07:56:30 am »

Actually for me the answer would be no, since a perfect copy would include my logo. I would lose nothing and gain a bit of free advertising - a net gain, from my point of view.

So more people can come and copy your product? ::)

If they don't want to buy, then they don't want to buy. True, if they don't buy and copy, then I don't make any money, but if they don't buy and don't copy, then I don't make any money either. But if they copy, they advertise my product for me to others who might be willing to buy and they have no reason to buy my competitors' products.

On EULA's, the whole "Not responsible" thing is completely legitamate. Its utterly impossible to predict issues with every computer system in existence and add patches for each one. If it wasn't for this, which is typically one of the few EULA rules upheld, there wouldn't be any software companies, as the second their software alledgedly caused problems with a computer, they would be sued.

Well gosh, the current standards are crap, therefore there's no point in striving for better ones.
Sorry, I don't buy that for one second. Shitty software makers should be just as liable as any other shitty product makers.
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Neonivek

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« Reply #126 on: July 03, 2009, 08:01:03 am »

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"The money that musical acts are receiving from concerts has soared, and has now exceeded songwriting royalties for the first time in history".

I wasn't refering to how much it pays... though people keep thinking I am. (No time to finish this post)
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