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Survival Challenge

29 (43.3%)

Military Challenge

10 (14.9%)

Construction Challenge

25 (37.3%)

Other Challenge

3 (4.5%)

Total Members Voted: 67

[Meta]

I got time to kill. Count me in if you want more than 10 competitors.

[filiusenox]

I cant download anything as big as a dwarf fort save file due to slow internet.Could they just upload the map and pics?

[NUKE9.13]

I cant download anything as big as a dwarf fort save file due to slow internet.Could they just upload the map and pics?

Man that is some slow internet. And by slow, I mean, daaamn, you might as well be using semaphore.

[Christes]

I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this.  I don't have time now, but I'd be interested in joining a future round, if there is one.

[filiusenox]

I cant download anything as big as a dwarf fort save file due to slow internet.Could they just upload the map and pics?

Man that is some slow internet. And by slow, I mean, daaamn, you might as well be using semaphore.

Nope just Dialup in kentucky.

[NUKE9.13]

DIAL UP?
Gods, you must wish you really had semaphore.

[Solifuge]

Okay, 10 was only an arbitrary limit, so I added the rest of y'all in for a total of 12 competitors and 10 judges.

at the very most the size limit i am willing to accept would be a 3x3 area otherwise count me out

The map is 3x3, with 3 tiles composing a Major River canyon, 1 comprising a tributary river/waterfall, and the other 5 comprising Temperate Woodlands.
(The image on the first post is a simplified Isometric Minimap FYI)

I cant download anything as big as a dwarf fort save file due to slow internet.Could they just upload the map and pics?

Judges will judge based on maps uploaded to the DF Map Archive, instead of having to download high data-volume fortress saves. Also, I'll be sure to upload an unaltered map of the site later tonight, so folks can start brainstorming.

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

So I suppose that means aquifer? I haven't gotten through an aquifer since the pumping bug. Oh well now is as good a time as any to try again.

[Rashilul]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Judging - how might it work? (An open discussion to how things might be submitted)

I must confess, I first assumed that this competition would be judged by screenshots accompanying a map upload:

• Screenshots for the status screen, giving fortress name (bonus available for humorous titling), fortress wealth, and year (proof that the timelimit has been adhered to)
• Map so that the judges can view each fortress, in tandem with the screenshots, and consider the architectural beauty of the beast

However, on reflecting (as I've been trying to get my judging hat firmly in place) I realised perhaps Solifuge's intention was for each competitor to upload a save for each judge to then go into, have a gander around, maybe play until the next siege to check for pathing, and generally enjoy. Perhaps even view some of the dwarves' emotions to gauge happiness, or kill a few pets to see how happy the dwarves are/how quickly the tantrum spiral begins...(i wondered if there should be bonus points for having a fortress balanced on the knife edge between fully-functional and near-total-collapse...obviously leaning towards the fully-functional side but mere moments from oblivion).

Anyway, those were my thoughts. What do other judges expect? pictures and a map upload? A save upload? And what are their thoughts on approaching decisions?

Personally, I think I'd like to have all entries for stage 1 in, so that I can do comparative scoring rather than isolated scoring...but i am happy to do the latter as well....

edit: trying to control the inner moron...

I think my judging will be done mostly from the architecture of the fort, but also how well it's doing dwarfwise. The major points I think I'll be looking for are, in order of how important they are:Awesomeness (megaprojects=bonus points) Layout (overall design of the fort), Looks (how much is smoothed, are there roads, is it cluttered), Prosperity (wealth, food stores, etc.) Fun (also know as peasant deathtraps, pet-impalers etc.) Defendability (does it have a good army) How will the scoring be done? Will it be 1-10, 1-50, 1-100 or something like that?

[Jim Groovester]

Can we get this competition going anytime soon? It's July 4th Weekend, which is a pretty good time to start.

[Solifuge]

As a general guideline for judging, pending the completed Scoring Card:

Judges will assign scores on a 0-5 scale, based on Subjective qualities, in categories such as Creativity, Defenses, Industry, Organization, etc. All judges scores will be averaged to reach a final score for each category, and points will be awarded accordingly.

In addition, I will award points based on Objective qualities, like total exported wealth, average happiness, highest-attained nobility tier, kills, etc.

EDIT:

Can we get this competition going anytime
soon? It's July 4th Weekend, which is a pretty good time to start.

Verily.

...I figure we'll start this coming Saturday, the 4th of July.

[Emmanovi]

Will the scores from the judges be posted publicly, or will each judge send their scores via PM? If the latter option, then will there be any space for comments, some of which can be listed when the scores are revealed, or should they be posted in some fashion after scoring (or, indeed, omitted altogether)?

[nahkh]

Sounds like you need a committee to figure out proper scoring standards and procedures. And no this isn't just me stalling for time.

[skaltum]

offtopic

so nahkh how fairs the doom that is sparkgear 2?

[Rashilul]

As a general guideline for judging, pending the completed Scoring Card:

Judges will assign scores on a 0-5 scale, based on Subjective qualities, in categories such as Creativity, Defenses, Industry, Organization, etc. All judges scores will be averaged to reach a final score for each category, and points will be awarded accordingly.

In addition, I will award points based on Objective qualities, like total exported wealth, average happiness, highest-attained nobility tier, kills, etc.

So the ranking system will be like

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[Fortnamehere][playernamehere]

Creativity:4
Defenses:2
Industry:5
Organization:3
[fixed points from objective qualities]

overall score:21
Then you average all overall scores?