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[Zironic]

Yes. Hide the sausage is a good game for males.

[mendonca]

Yes. Hide the sausage is a good game for males.

Just don't leave it behind the radiator!

The smell can linger for weeks ...

[Goron]

A lot of you have written Morrowind...
...of those that indicated Morrowind, how many of you have even played Daggerfall?

This is a game you all must play, for real. It is the 'original' morrowind (made by same company and such, so its not an obscure hack).

I bet ya'll just never played daggerfall, and that's why you list morrowind...

[Sensei]

Meh, daggefall had it's pros, but it was even buggier than morrowind. I also believe that Morrowind is when the series switched to a real static world as opposed to daggerfall's roguelikehood. Then again, some people ahve maligned Morrowind for that.

[Strife26]

Spyro the dragon (first one)
Ratchet and Clank (First or maybe the third)

[Okenido]

I never was able to get my hands on Daggerfall...

Therefore I cannot judge it.

[Goron]

Meh, daggefall had it's pros, but it was even buggier than morrowind. I also believe that Morrowind is when the series switched to a real static world as opposed to daggerfall's roguelikehood. Then again, some people ahve maligned Morrowind for that.

Meh, I'd played games with large open static worlds long before morrowind... few with '3d' worlds like that, true, but just merging the Daggerfall game with an 'open world' was by no means anything special, in my opinion. An improvement, yes. A positive addition, mostly (at the same time it made the "world" smaller, since there were fewer sites, cuz all sites had to be on a single open map, but I don't fault the game much for that, and it made the world 'static,' which very much so eliminated a lot of replay value, and decrased world size even more since an artist had to make everything).

But, in my opinion, morrowind just took an existing game (daggerfall) and combined it to an existing feature (open world)... Morrowind did nothing new, nothing unique, and nothing special. I enjoy morrowind, yey very much so- if I had my pick of game to play right now I'd prolly pick morrowind over Daggerfall (probably... not definitely, but probably... Daggerfall's HUGE world, albeit non 'open', was always fun to play in) , but despite this, I think Daggerfall was a much grander experience and therefore deserves the recognition.

EDIT:heh, I realize I started my post with 'meh' just as you did. That was not intentional, but made me chuckle when I realized it.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I played it, though my expeditions into its depths were usually rather brief and most likely barely grazed the surface. First of all, OMGWTFHUMONGALITIOUS WORLD! Last I heard, there are around twenty thousand locations on the map. THAT'S MORE THAN THERE IS STARS IN ELITE!!! (Speaking of which, did anyone mention Elite at all?) Not to mention you can walk between the places on foot, though the trip is likely to be a lot less interesting than it would be in Morrowind.
Then, towns. They're reasonably large, at least those I could get to. No fancy NPC AI, or AI at all for that matter. You can go around, ask stuff, kill, rob, plunder. Rape would probably be a nice addition, but isn't likely in this universe. Best thing is, you can get into a town even at night, when the gates are closed, by climbing over the walls. It's a good display of the sandbox approach to game design, but it would make a lot more sense if the climbing skill actually cared to check for whether or not the player is sitting on a horse, nevermind whether or no the said horse is pulling a WAGON with four metric tons of loot in it.
The graphics are nothing to sneeze at for their time, the items are plenty, the magic is nice (though with a ridiculous "recast" system that baffles me every time I return to the game). It has its share of major bugs, other than the aforemenioned climbing, like that you can't strafe when facing a wall, or similarly you can't really swim underwater without some major patching. All in all, it's a great game, with great scale. I'd really like to see Bethesda put some money into procedural generation (a-la, say, DF) and recreate the entirety of the continent Daggerfall is supposed to occur on, in Morrowind graphics. Now THAT would REALLY be SOMETHING.

[Sensei]

I'd like to see someone make a program that reads DF files (like 3dwarf does), and take all the logic regarding where corners and stairs etc are, and plop it right into Morrowind or a similar game (or 3DS).

[puke]

A lot of you have written Morrowind...
...of those that indicated Morrowind, how many of you have even played Daggerfall?

This is a game you all must play, for real. It is the 'original' morrowind (made by same company and such, so its not an obscure hack).

I bet ya'll just never played daggerfall, and that's why you list morrowind...

well, you might go as far to say that ARENA is the original, but whatever.  Daggerfall was only patched into a barely playable state long after most people had given up on it.  and its still buggy as all getout.

a very ambitious game though, and there are certainly features from arena / daggerfall that i would have liked to see in the later games.  especially the scope and size of cities, and the differences in cultures that you can see across the different provinces in Arena.

[Hawkfrost]

A lot of you have written Morrowind...
...of those that indicated Morrowind, how many of you have even played Daggerfall?

This is a game you all must play, for real. It is the 'original' morrowind (made by same company and such, so its not an obscure hack).

I bet ya'll just never played daggerfall, and that's why you list morrowind...

I have Daggerfall actually.

It gets boring after a while, all the locations are similar(And what the hell, imps can only be hurt by magic weapons!).

I never was able to get my hands on Daggerfall...

Therefore I cannot judge it.

Is it considered abandonware yet?

[Goron]

I have Daggerfall actually.

It gets boring after a while, all the locations are similar(And what the hell, imps can only be hurt by magic weapons!).

I could say the same about Morrowind, and even more so about Oblivion.

I never was able to get my hands on Daggerfall...

Therefore I cannot judge it.

Is it considered abandonware yet?

HOTU had a copy I know. Not sure now, what with there being two hotu's...
Regardless, it is NOT abandonware... The IP is still being exploited (Oblivion). It is the elder scrolls series.

[Mr Tk]

Is it considered abandonware yet?

Ah abandonware, the great lie to justify pirating software. Just remember people that software is covered by the same copyright laws as other things like music and books, so you've got a while to wait before it becomes public domain.

All though in some cases where the copyright holder no longer exists, it becomes a little more gray.

Speaking Daggerfall, you should try Darklands. An sandbox RPG that takes place in the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

[Deon]

I feel like I have to add Arcanum to the list.

It's buggy, but fun.

yes but having played say... Fallout... or... Lionheart... or [insert the 100,000 games that try to emulate Fallout] is there any real reason to play Arcanum other than to continue experiencing a genre? The game added nothing new that Fallout didn't already do.

I enjoyed the game, yes, but it is by no means special in any way.

Heh, "not special". I can hardly think of any other steampunk game that made the "technology versus magic" conflict into a remarkably sound game mechanic. It's a whole different setting with a different emphasis, and it at least seems more detailed than even Fallout. It also has multiplayer with a whole different world - did Fallout have that?

Yes, fallout has a multiplayer with a whole different world.

Sorry, I just had to say it. It's not that I am against Arcanum, I like Arcanum, but it's multiplayer is a fail in many ways. Single player was good though.

[Gabeux]

Unreal World RPG, can't think anything else right now..

And IF anyone in the WORLD think it's a bad game: try making a huge "fence trap", with 5-10 openings with pit traps with spears.

you can even go there and find out that some 'monster' killed that poor villager that run into the trap accidentally.. or find some animal there and poke him or throw stones at him.. or even get to a town and build** the god damn pit traps everywhere, clearing all the place MUAHA..MUAHAHAA

whatever