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Author Topic: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode  (Read 4580 times)

Pilsu

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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2009, 08:55:20 am »

Chakrams returning is phenomenally stupid.
Boomerangs aren't weapons of war.
And as already said, throwing spears are highly specialized weapons

I don't much care for axe skill affecting throwing axe damage. Axes as they may be, they're not even remotely similar in usage


Let's leave out the exotic fare until we actually get differing cultures. It's already annoying to remove the turbans from humans living in forests
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2009, 09:01:27 am »

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Boomerangs aren't weapons of war

I'd hate to correctly you... but yes they are. They are also shields

I do want to say however that I doubt they are thrown to return when used against an enemy.

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That would be a Chakram

There are two real versions that I am aware of.

1) A Throwing exclusive weapon, mostly because there are no grips
2) A Melee weapon with throwing ability. It has stabbing and slashing areas which are excellent for unarmored opponents.
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2009, 09:21:47 am »

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Boomerangs aren't weapons of war

I'd hate to correctly you... but yes they are. They are also shields

I'm gonna need a source seeing Wikipedia was very clear on the matter. Only mention as a weapon of war was being used in melee and that was the throwing stick variety. Someone trying that would get absolutely slaughtered by the real weapons regularly brandished by everyone else. Even the unrealistically powerful stone swords not built for killing would destroy anyone brandishing what amounts to a stick
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2009, 09:25:29 am »

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Only mention as a weapon of war was being used in melee


Then there you go. Weapon of war. As I said it also made a good shield.

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Someone trying that would get absolutely slaughtered by the real weapons regularly brandished by everyone else

Generally speaking this "Real weapon" was rock. So judging by the fact that the worst they were up against was another tribe with a boomerang I think they were safe.
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Pilsu

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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2009, 09:34:41 am »

They aren't fighting aboriginals in this setting. Their opponents have real weapons

Ah right, the elves already have the lame wooden swords. Do they really need another variety of laughable sticks? It's even worse for kobolds that don't possess the strength to actually throw a basic stick at the force required to damage anything
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2009, 09:39:52 am »

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Do they really need another variety of laughable sticks?

It is only laughable in modern context with how we use it today. Similar to weaponised Yoyos (Or rather LARGE WEIGHTS WITH ROPE ATTACHED)

Frankly I'd think it would be an improvement if Elves got weapons that made sense for the materials they are using.

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It's even worse for kobolds that don't possess the strength to actually throw a basic stick at the force required to damage anything

Increase the size!
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2009, 05:58:43 pm »

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There are two real versions that I am aware of.

1) A Throwing exclusive weapon, mostly because there are no grips
2) A Melee weapon with throwing ability. It has stabbing and slashing areas which are excellent for unarmored opponents.

The second version is a Chinese weapon called "Wind and fire wheels" and is a completely different weapon, I don't think it is thrown to any degree, and its use seems to be more like a Sai in that the weapon is very good at grappling the opponents weapon and disarming them.

http://www.windfire.com/taichiweaponsarticle.pdf

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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2009, 10:22:50 pm »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_guillotine_(weapon)

Very low probability of hitting, but instant decapitation when it does!
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2009, 12:33:37 am »

Chakrams returning is phenomenally stupid.
Boomerangs aren't weapons of war.
And as already said, throwing spears are highly specialized weapons

I don't much care for axe skill affecting throwing axe damage. Axes as they may be, they're not even remotely similar in usage


Let's leave out the exotic fare until we actually get differing cultures. It's already annoying to remove the turbans from humans living in forests

this is an fantasy game and not reallife, so please use a little of your fantasy ;)
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2009, 01:17:47 am »

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Do they really need another variety of laughable sticks?

It is only laughable in modern context with how we use it today. Similar to weaponised Yoyos (Or rather LARGE WEIGHTS WITH ROPE ATTACHED)

Frankly I'd think it would be an improvement if Elves got weapons that made sense for the materials they are using.

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It's even worse for kobolds that don't possess the strength to actually throw a basic stick at the force required to damage anything

Increase the size!
Nunchucks!
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2009, 01:28:50 am »

Throwing weapons do really return sometimes, if you throw a axe at a enemy and it gets stuck in his shield he might throw it back at you. And then it has returned to you:)
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2009, 05:32:58 pm »

this is an fantasy game and not reallife, so please use a little of your fantasy ;)

It tries to be more realistic than the usual 'you hit the goblin for 12 hit points' fare so I see nothing wrong with taking the stance that things should try to make sense. Just because it's fantasy themed doesn't mean I have to support Xena Fortress

I would include the tag "returns on miss" in the weapon raws though
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2009, 06:12:19 pm »

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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2009, 06:13:00 pm »

While throwing weapons looks like a great idea, its something thats more suited to adventure mode. Dwarves don't throw things unless they are tantrumming.
Dwarves muscles are formed for digging not for throwing.
I actualy had a novice throwing dwarf in fortress mod once, on my first and not so sucessfull reclaim fort.

on the topic of throwing weapons, I think it might be an amusing addition and it might not be that complicated to implement with the upcoming changes in squads and equipement assingement.

It would hardly fit the game though to make realy unrealistic weapons like returning discs or useless wooden boomerangs, it seems like something more fit for the magic arc.
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Re: Throwing Weapons in Dwarf Mode
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2009, 07:01:44 pm »

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realy unrealistic

They're realistic, just not as weapons. I've thrown a frisbee before and had the wind turn it so I could catch it again. Returning boomerangs, according to wikipedia, were used as signaling devices and to scare birds out of trees into nets, for the most part.

The frisbee thing brings up an interesting idea, though: Dwarven sports and recreation. Leisure activities that train stats, like throwing darts or something, would be a fascinating addition.
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