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[Hawkfrost]

Bah, Korn and Disturbed and all the other shit are just anger menagement tools, people only like it because it's full of yelling and complains about a hard relationship or other social situations that provoke an angry emotion.
That's not metal

It might mix up gayer sides of punk and death growls and other stylistic things in an effort to mix up the "best of both worlds", underneath all the appeareance it will just be mediocre rock music that looks unappealing to anyone who isn't braindead.
That is not metal

Dragonforce and Opeth and Meshugah just make "technical" music to imitate Helstar, Atheist or Gorguts. It's just badly done death metal or power metal with ornaments to disguise complete lack of songwritting skill.
That's hardly metal

They could copy Norweign classics of yore without any of the spirit, they might be Cannibal Corpse with their second rate death metal selling out the once treasured genre, or maybe Pantera with grooves making up for substance.
Unfortunately, that is metal, although it's completely moronic.

What metal is, can be felt if you actually follow the music, it's the feel of it. Not as in, the sound of blastbeats, or distorted guitars. It's there in Sabbath, there in Maiden, there in Witchfinder, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Demilich, Hellhammer, Blind Guardian, Darkthrone and Sacramentum.
And no, the difference among them is not just aesthetic, as in types of vocals. The songwritting, and the phrasing are different, but they all hold a spirit that none of these newer bands have. So in conclusion, you ruined metal, go get AIDS.

Not your best trolling I'm afraid.
Some of your old stuff was better, in my opinion.
You just need more practice, you haven't trolled much recently.

[Cthulhu]

That wasn't trolling, it was statement of an opinion.

[ThreeToe]

Fishersalwaysdie has been muted for three days.  The OP specifically asked that there be no fighting.  Fishersalwaysdie disrespected that and clearly wanted to start trouble.  It is trolling, and we frown on that crap.

[Mr Tk]

I meant to say that grunge was heavier than metal, but not metal. It's sort of like what happens when you put heavy metal in a lead bin and put it in magma. Anyway, grunge isn't only Kurt Cobain. There's other instruments, which give it that dirty, heavy sound.

I just threw Kurt out there as an example because of the metal link.

But I went digging around my old music to listen to grunge and come to one conclusion. Grunge is a mix of rock, metal, and punk (after going through Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Meat Puppets, Stone Temple Pilots)

I then went and listen to what would be considered metal (Rammstein, Slipknot, Black Sabbath, Slayer, Metallica, Pantera, Iron Maiden)

All the 'metal' bands are definitely heaver than the 'grunge' bands.

And I'll promise to not talk about Glam Metal if you promise not talk about it.

[Psyco Jelly]

I found Ctulu(SP, sry) calling Linkin Park an "abomination" abso-f***kin-lutely HILARIOUS! I think I laughed for a solid minute...

I could never file Korn and Disturbed together... I'll concede they're both Metal, but catagory that includes Black Sabbath, too.

IME most metal is fast-paced. But Sabbath's metal, and mostly slow-ish. (Iron Man/War Pigs FTW!) Disturbed has some fairly slow ones too.

I kind of like Linkin' Park, and I even laughed.

Cthulhu gets +1 circumstantial bonus to comedy checks. Everyone roll a will save.

[TotalPigeon]

Motorhead is one of the original Metal bands. I see how you came to the hard rock conclusion though.

Interestingly, lemmy (motorheads singer/songwriter/bassist/founder, in case someone here doesn't know) has never considered motorhead to be a metal band, but instead rock n' roll. I guess this just goes to show how vague all these musical boundaries really can be.

[The Willow Wisp]

Wow, it is surprising how many people like Disturbed here.

I actually like them too, even though I am a bit embarrassed to admit it.

Land of confusion cover = awesome.

I don't see why people are embarrassed to admit they like Disturbed or Korn or POD or Linkin Park. They have record deals so that means you aren't alone in the fact that you like them. I listen to all of them. I actually listen to all kinds of music to some extent. The only exception being Hip-hop/Rap and Death Metal, but I respect them for what they do right and how they affect music as a whole. I also agree with TotalPigeon, the music boundries are vague. I think it is so any type of music can try and claim another type of music's work and get credit for it. I still believe you decide what music is by how it feels to you.

[Psyco Jelly]

Can we agree to dislike screamo?

[Sowelu]

I always liked Dragonforce and (somewhat) Nickelback.  Maybe I've been listening to the wrong stuff of Nickelback's though, and didn't hear the really hard stuff--my musical horizons are not very broad.

I think that a lot of metal fans really get to like metal on really awesome speakers, and then when they listen to it around other people, they listen on speakers where you can't tell what's going on unless you already know the song by heart.  My ex was certainly like that.  I can't make heads or tails out of the really loud/hard metal.  I think my preferences are mostly based on what music I can actually hear easily.

[ein]

Can we agree to dislike screamo?

Yes.

[Areyar]

I guess one's definitions are also time biased.
When I was in highschool, and a metalhead/stoner, I think metal as such was not yet a independent genre. The musicstores had all 'hard' stuff in a box called 'hard rock'.
At least in our underfunded/mandatory music(al history) lessons we used books that were more than a decade out of date to be 'hip'.
So, combined with a general omnivorous attitude towards music, my definitions are extra vague.

Don't know what or whom Screamo is, so on general principle it is dispised.
I think we can all agree that that which enters the top 30 charts, like with games, is generally crap with the occasional genuine gem rising to the top.

[Vicomt]

I guess one's definitions are also time biased.
When I was in highschool, and a metalhead/stoner, I think metal as such was not yet a independent genre. The musicstores had all 'hard' stuff in a box called 'hard rock'.
At least in our underfunded/mandatory music(al history) lessons we used books that were more than a decade out of date to be 'hip'.
So, combined with a general omnivorous attitude towards music, my definitions are extra vague.

Don't know what or whom Screamo is, so on general principle it is dispised.
I think we can all agree that that which enters the top 30 charts, like with games, is generally crap with the occasional genuine gem rising to the top.

pretty much this.
I must admit I enoy delving into the underground to see what I find, wonder if that's got something to do with the fact that I play DF? 

[Sowelu]

I think we can all agree that that which enters the top 30 charts, like with games, is generally crap with the occasional genuine gem rising to the top.

But that's true of EVERYTHING!  Sturgeon's Law:  90% of everything is crap.  Sure, 90% of the stuff at the top is awful.  But so is 90% of the rest of it!  You just don't care if music you've never heard of is crap, because who are you going to complain to?  Someone else who's never heard of it? 

[Yanlin]

I like lead. Lead is a heavy metal.

[Hawkfrost]

I like lead. Lead is a heavy metal.

Now that I think about it, that would be an awesome heavy metal band name.


Ugh...I can't find anything new.
I can't have heard all the good bands, not yet!