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Ioric Kittencuddler

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Dynasty Warriors 6 again
« on: June 11, 2009, 07:23:41 am »

I guess this is sort of a review of sorts.  Allot of people posted in my last DW6 topic about how much they disliked DW due to it's repetitiveness, so I figured I should give some info on 6 specifically now that I've played it allot.

I got a PS3, and Dynasty Warriors 6, and surprisingly I am actually feeling somewhat less ecstatic about it than usual.  And no it's not because I'm getting sick of the repetitive nature of the series. Though I should mention something about that as well.  The thing that's got me disappointed is that they've removed huge gobits of content.  Specifically, 7 characters, and the musou modes and unique weapons/movesets of most of the remaining cast.  That said,(getting back to the repetitive nature of the series thing) the game has actually been greatly changed in some not bad ways. 

The combat system has been revamped to be allot better in my opinion. The number of attacks you can do no longer depends on your weapon, instead you can do a continuous stream of square attacks, but you can increase the effectiveness and intricacy of you attacks by filling your Renbu gauge, done by wacking the hell out of enemies.  Once you fill it, it goes up a level and your attacks become better.  Triangle are different as well, they're still more powerful than square attacks, but they now are completely separate and are effected by the Renbu gauge in a similar way to square attacks.  You can do a quick strong attack by tapping the button, and can usually do a short combo by tapping it multiple times(and it's effected by Renbu level), or you can hold it to do a more powerful attack. Jump attacks are similar to DW5, you still have a square and a triangle.  There's now a triangle running attack.  You can still deflect attacks by holding block and pressing square at the right moment, and you can counterattack by pressing triangle instead.  They've also now added grappling attacks executed by holding block and pressing square for a quick one, and triangle for a charged one.  They removed the bow(which was nearly useless anyway, and is even more so now that you can just climb archer towers) and replaced it with a forward roll ability that allows you to quickly dodge around. Musou Rage has been replaced by specials which are an ability that each character has one of out of five.  They all have context sensitive applications that increase their effectiveness.  Use stone drop on a slope and the stones will roll down and crush all in their path, use fire in a base and it's light it up, dealing additional damage to any enemies within, as well as confusing enemy officers in the area.  Swift Attack special fills your renbu gauge and increases your combat effectiveness, and if your health is in the red it can even allow you to shrug off attacks.  True speed lets you run around like a superninja or Gan Ning's old musou attack, plowing through enemies and dealing heavy damage.  It affects your horse too.  Finally there's the volly special which rains arrows upon your enemies, and sometimes balista bolts, ice and lightning depending on the character.  It also annihilates archers with great efficiency.  Horse combat, like jumping is relatively unchanged.  Oh yeah, and you can now use the right analogue stick to turn the camera.

Anyway, onto other changes!  Based now are different.  Instead of offense, defense, and supply, there are now just bases of varying sizes and shapes.  All but the smallest have a health recovery item spawn point which can be found in the center of square bases, but for larger ones like castles you have to find the colored square on the map.  All bases except watch posts have gates which must being broken through in order to get at the juicy defenders inside.  Gates will be repaired when the base isn't being attacked.  Base capture is more complex now than simply killing the guard captain.  While there still is a guard captain, he won't appear in smaller bases and in larger bases he only appears after certain conditions are met.  Those conditions are tied to the new system.  Now when you enter a base a number will appear onscreen.  This is the base durability and when it's lowered to zero the base switches to the side of whoever lowered it.  Base soldiers are worth one point, while more powerful soldiers called corporal are worth 20, and once a large base is lowered below 100 the guard captain appears and allows you to capture the base by defeating him.  Yes, so bases can now be captured!  They can pass back and forth between different sides in the battle multiple times.  There are two types of small base that are not like the others.  Watch posts are full of archers and periodically send a rain of arrows down on enemies nearby (similar to volly special).  These can actually by pretty dangerous given the right circumstances.  Especially since they are usually in hard to reach places.  Gates are just a gate with enemies on one side and archers on top.  They have only 30 durability so killing ten troops and finishing off the corporal makes quick work of them.  One thing about bases is that officers can bolster their defenses by staying in them.  This adds the soldiers in the officer's unit to the base's durability so it's a often good idea to take out the officer before you capture the base.

On a similar subject to bases are the sieges.  Sieges, like most things in DW 6 are all more involved than previously.  now when you reach Hu Lao Gate you stop in front of it and start slaughtering multiple defense captains.  Killing one opens up a position to build a siege engine, depending on where, it could be a catapult or a ram.  The ram will try to bash open the gate, but the enemy will usually have ballistae on the walls that will blast it to pieces.  The catapults can destroy them, but aren't very accurate so it may take a while.  The thirst type of siege engine though, is the ladder.  Engineers will build siege ladders and then carry them up to the wall and set them up.  You and your allies can them climb them in order to assault the walls and take the destruction of the ballistae, archers, and boulder hurlers into your own hands.

I'll list a few miscellaneous features now.

Horses can jump now!
You can press down to call your horse to you.  You actually choose from a list of collected horses at the set up, and the horses can each be leveled up in pretty much the exact same way as bodyguards from DW5
You can swim! So can your allies and enemies!
The minimap is greatly improved.  it now shows actual elevations and areas where you can climb up and down as well as stairs, castle walls, bases, etc.  It's considerably more detailed, and allot better in general.
The weapons have been changed as well.  Instead of four progressively better weapons, we get three roughly equal weapons.  The Standard, strong, and skill.  Each type is effected differently by Renbu and they can all have varying special abilities and damage levels.  You can keep up to eight individual weapons per character.
Now instead of picking up health/musou/defense/attack +10 items, the character's abilities increase as their level does.  With each level they get a skill point that they can spend on the new skill trees to upgrade their stats and gain special abilities.
Every battle now has targets you can complete to gain an experience reward as well as a weapon.
No more equipable items... I don't personally miss them much, but I can easily see how others would.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2009, 07:40:25 am by Ioric Kittencuddler »
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Re: Dynasty Warriors 6 again
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 03:03:49 pm »

What a wall of text, man. You could benefit by a few paragraphs. That being said, I read it all, and found it very enlightening. This is kind of what I hoped would happen to the series!

Is it actually difficult, though? I never found the DW games to be difficult unless it was protecting two people on opposite sides of the map, and that's just cheesy.
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Re: Dynasty Warriors 6 again
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 06:29:41 pm »

Well... there are now two difficulty levels above hard... I haven't played them much though.  And the difficulty of course depends on what level you're playing, what character, their level, and what sort of weapon and horse they have equipped.  If you have a really fast horse you can obviously get around allot more easily, and if your horse has a high jump stat you got leap over the walls of watch posts and even leap across the gaps between ships at Chi Bi. Course the horse factor doesn't last that long as you'll eventually get a bunch of "Considers the world" horses that have decent stats in everything, but trying to get the best stuff is a major factor in the series anyway.  I'd know playing the battle of He Fei Castle on Chaos with a level Five Sun Shang Xiang is still pretty hard.  You can get slaughtered really fast by even nameless troops.  Shang Xiang is one of the most overpowered characters in the game.  Even though her basic S attack can only hit the first rank of enemies, it has great range and it's a five arrow spread.  Her musou attack is godlike battlefield clearing insanity as it is basically her normal S attack on but now it does way more damage and goes through everything, knocking it back in the process.

Some other things I forgot to mention before BTW:

Officers now have soldiers under their command called Lieutenants who look like generic non playable officers and have similar powers.  They're basically mini generic generals.  They'll even act like them in duels, jumping in to fight instead of one of their allied officers.

Also, like I said before, some of the officers have been removed and allot of them are now movement clones of each other.  Supposedly they fixed this with the PS2 version and with Empires, but that doesn't really forgive them.  I still like the basic game enough not to be pissed off, and it helps that it's forty dollars new at Gamestop.

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Re: Dynasty Warriors 6 again
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 11:56:08 pm »

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This is kind of what I hoped would happen to the series!

I have played Dynasty Warriors 6 and I have no idea what your refering to.

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You can get slaughtered really fast by even nameless troops

You really gotta learn how to raise your Renbu meter as once it gets to a decent level they are no problem. Also as a tip only go for the leader of nameless enemy groups.

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some of the officers have been removed and allot of them are now movement clones of each other

The point of Dynasty Warriors 6 is that they basically reset the characters and made them from scratch. They also removed the special move system and instead have it so each person has two combos. (Kind of a shame really... They made it more of a button masher then before)

So it is as if it had all original characters and kept none of the previous ones.

Ill keep my complaints somewhere else though since Ill let the fans of Dynasty Warriors 6 enjoy the game.
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Re: Dynasty Warriors 6 again
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 10:58:37 pm »

Found this review at KongMing's archives that I pretty much agress with completely. http://kongming.net/dw6/review/
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Re: Dynasty Warriors 6 again
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2009, 04:51:59 am »

So, Empires comes out in about a week.  It looks to make allot of improvements on both DW6, and the Empires sub series, and so far the Japanese version has a bunch of free DLC.
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