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[LegoLord]

They're as good as interchangeable when you aren't going to have to worry about going from one planet to another so there is not readable change in gravity.  Most scales are based on weight, not balance.

[CobaltKobold]

Less than a tenth of a pound per cubic foot difference( I know, I know, SI is better, but this came up first in my search.) . Seriously, even though you get about 10% more volume as ice, it's quite unlikely to make any difference.

This is less than half a percent of the density of water, frozen or not.

Also, the grid makes distance measurements arbitrary at the core.

As for mass and weight, some funny things happen when (pnp rpg) rules based on weight get put into weightless situations...

What unit would we use for mass anyway? Dwarfslugs?

[LegoLord]

Weight slows dwarves down.

Dwarves getting killed by falling objects of sufficient weight does not seem to be on the dev notes yet.  Hm.

Edit:  That is, falling objects other than collapsing structures or creatures.

[Thexor]

Oh, come on. A kilogram of liquid water == a kilogram of frozen water. The frozen water will be less dense, but will also have greater volume.

Mass is the physical amount of 'stuff' in an object, measured in (kilo)grams. Weight is the force exerted on the object by Earth's gravitational force, measured in Newtons (although commonly expressed in grams), and calculated by f = ma, where f is the force applied on the object, aka its weight, m is the physical mass of the object, and a is the acceleration due to Earth's gravity.

By conservation of mass, assuming that no water evaporated and that no fission/fusion reactions occurred in the backpack, the mass must clearly remain constant. Unless vast chunks of the planet have been vaporized, or unless you've flown into orbit (or ascended a mountain), the acceleration due to gravity is a constant of roughly ~9.80 m/s. Hence, since both mass and acceleration are equal, the weight of the water will remain the same. QED.






As to the topic at hand - heh, speaking of which, hands work perfectly well as a weapon. Especially the hands of your companions. "Hey, wanna lend me a hand with this giant?" "Ok, sure, what did you have in mind?" *RIP*


EDIT: As a minor note, at my last place of work, the calibration centre had, posted on the wall, different values for acceleration due to gravity on a tabletop versus the floor. It took around 5 decimal places to get a difference, though.

[Rockphed]

EDIT: As a minor note, at my last place of work, the calibration centre had, posted on the wall, different values for acceleration due to gravity on a tabletop versus the floor. It took around 5 decimal places to get a difference, though.

Where did you work?

[DJ]

Weight isn't ma, it's ma - Vd, where V is volume of the body and d is density of the medium it's in.

[Elliott_Thinas]

DJ is correct, however the density of the medium (air) is so tiny that his correction term is negligible. The mass WOULD not change and the weight WOULD change but in a virtually unmeasurable way. I would say both of you are correct.

[Leafsnail]

Maybe the ice started to freeze his back.  That would suck.

Hmm, did you have any water coverings on you (I often carry some to drink)?  Maybe they froze, turning you into an icy statue 

[Alternatecash]

Throwing Anvils. For that Loony Tunes feeling.

[x2yzh9]

I love totally murdering a pack of wolves that jump me with my kamikaze axe dwarf[has NO skills except adept axeman or whatever]walking past the wolf trying to scrape his intestines in i throw my axe and decapitate the crawling wolf and then take it and MURDER the other one.

[lemonpieman]

I modded in dildos. And that's all I have to say about that.

[tomas1297]

Coffin.Delicious death by simbol of death.

[BigFatDwarf]

Ok, old stuff, but on the topic of Coin throwing:

Spoiler: Don't open if you hate violence and gore (click to show/hide)

, as soon as I read about coin throwing I remembered about this Maddox's picture.

[Footkerchief]

Mass doesn't decrease, but weight does. Increasing volume while retaining same mass gives you buoyancy, you know.

Everyone ALWAYS forgets air buoyancy.  It's fun to mention it in situations like this one and watch people flail in confusion.

[Vester]

I'd just like to say that the above discussion was the most informative thread derailment EVER.

I like throwing clothes at wolves. The resulting carnage makes you wonder what they weave pig tail socks with. Iron?