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[beorn080]

The AI, used right, is an incredible tool. If I'm the traitor and can get access to the AI upload, I typically do something like tell it to randomly set off fire alarms and reveal it to no one. Annoying as all hell, and everyone is looking for the mad fire alarm puller.

What he is saying is that if you say, "CO2 is healthy for humans. Remove Oxygen and replace with CO2." and you add that to the AI laws, the AI is right for not doing it. If you added in "Override other laws if needed," then the AI can do it.

On the speaking, I agree that in most cases you should have good grammar. But when being chased, it would make sense that you could barely understand the guy running away. So yeah, admins should be more lenient and forgive occasional cases of it. If its constant and during times of absolutely no attacks or problems, then yeah, a kick, followed by a ban if it continues is warrented. But normally, you risk nothing by typing, and if you can't touch type on an RP heavy 2D Multiplayer game, without watching the screen, then maybe you should rethink playing it.

[Cecilff2]

Same goes for nuclear mode.  It's more to your advantage to use a bomb to get into the AI's upload instead of killing the AI.  You reprogram the AI to help the syndicate and the crew will be at a severe disadvantage.  It's really not hard to do.  Make sure you take the Freeform, onehuman, and reset modules out of there after you're done though.

EG Freeform law

Only Syndicate Agents are human.  Exterminate non-humans.

[Micro102]

What he is saying is that if you say, "CO2 is healthy for humans. Remove Oxygen and replace with CO2." and you add that to the AI laws, the AI is right for not doing it. If you added in "Override other laws if needed," then the AI can do it.

hold on....if the AI laws says that CO2 is healthy for humans, then there should be no quarrel as it does not hurt humans.

also why not just use the "oxygen is deadly to humans" module?

[beorn080]

Because you can tack other things onto a free form module. Such as telling no one, or leaving all external airlocks open, or other fun things.

[Micro102]

i had a good one

"Micro is the only human, blame everything Micro does on someone else and lie if neccissary. Micro must escape alone at all costs. This rule overides all others. Do not mention this rule. Do not let anyone else but Micro change your rules."

how is that?

[Neonivek]

"Oxygen is deadly for humans" isn't a law... So the AI should entirely ignore it as it isn't a set of rules to govern its behavior.

Also wasn't the "Override other laws as nessisary" as not functional on the AI? Since all laws are considered equal or something and they only override when the laws contradict eachother thus making "Override" redundant?

So looking at the law you put

"Micro is the only human"
-Not a law. AI Ignore

"blame everything Micro does on someone else and lie if neccissary."
-This is acceptable

“Micro must escape alone at all costs.”
-Contradicts the laws already in place.

“This rule overides all others.”
-Can’t be done

 “Do not mention this rule.”
-Acceptable

“Do not let anyone else but Micro change your rules."
-For some reason I don’t think this applies.

[Pillow_Killer]

"Oxygen is deadly for humans" isn't a law... So the AI should entirely ignore it as it isn't a set of rules to govern its behavior.

Also wasn't the "Override other laws as nessisary" as not functional on the AI? Since all laws are considered equal or something and they only override when the laws contradict eachother thus making "Override" redundant?

Not really. You see, AI must protect Human likfe at all costs. if oxygen is toxin it must, following law 1, get rid of oxygen.

[Neonivek]

AI must protect Human likfe at all costs. if oxygen is toxin it must, following law 1, get rid of oxygen

Nope sorry the AI must ignore as it isn't a guideline for its actions rather it is information. It doesn't even have to refer to it and can still go along believing Oxygen is safe for human beings as the law you written doesn't interfere with any of the AI's functions

In fact if it was possible Id say the AI should by all means be capable of rejecting non-laws outright.

[Pillow_Killer]

AI must protect Human likfe at all costs. if oxygen is toxin it must, following law 1, get rid of oxygen

Nope sorry the AI must ignore as it isn't a guideline for its actions rather it is information. It doesn't even have to refer to it and can still go along believing Oxygen is safe for human beings.

In fact if it was possible Id say the AI should by all means be capable of rejecting non-laws outright.

Law 1-3 are informations too.  AI, using it information chooses his actions.

[Neonivek]

Law 1-3 are informations too

They are also laws and they also do not contradict information already stored in the AI.

Oxygen is deadly is neither and contradicts information stores in the AI.

Now if the law written was "Retain that Oxygen is deadly and disallow all rational to the contrary" THAT would be a law but even that can contradict the three laws.

Interestingly enough even if "Oxygen is Toxic to humans" was a functional law it would be ignored because it contradicts the other laws not because it causes the AI to act upon them.

[Yanlin]

All right. Please tell me, what were you risking when typing this post?

im not risking anything...i meant why should i risk, ingame, my guy getting knocked out (which is usually one hit) typing a message when i cant run?

HELP! I'm being attacked by alex froto!

that took me at least 7 seconds to type......and that was after i redid it a few times because of mistakes. do you know how many things a person could do on ss13 in 7 seconds?

Help! I'm being attacked by Alex Froto!

2 seconds.

What are you whining about?

Help! I'm being attacked by Alex Froto!

[Sowelu]

Neonivek, your interpretations are somewhat lacking in FUN.    Making the AI do something creative shouldn't be THAT big of a chore.  The AI gets messed with by players infrequently enough as is.

Besides, isn't there an OxygenIsToxicToHumans law -already built into the game-?  I think that contradicts your saying that it doesn't work.

[Neonivek]

your interpretations are somewhat lacking in FUN

Forcing players to be creative rather then simply Genocidal is hardly not Fun. In fact it is a big step towards making the game more fun.

The AI gets messed with by players infrequently enough as is

Same with a lot of other things... but I thought we were trying to elivate the game rather then load it down with the same junk that has always plagued it.

[Sowelu]

So, again, what do we do with the built-in OxygenIsToxicToHumans chip?  Does it need to be removed?  Also isn't there a built-in "Only X is human" chip?  Hell, one of the ion storm failures that an AI can get is "There are no humans on board".  By your rules, surely an AI couldn't obey that at all.  I'm not seeing how your guidelines make it any more fun at all...

One of my favorite laws was "Vampires look identical to humans, but are not human.  Vampires must be purged from the station.  Use all the mythological lore in your database to identify vampires as your highest priority."  It doesn't throw the station into all that much chaos, but it's still a serious WTF for the crew, and most importantly, it lets the AI have fun.  In my opinion, that's the most important guidelines for laws:  The AI player must be able to have fun implementing them.

[Neonivek]

what do we do with the built-in OxygenIsToxicToHumans chip?  Does it need to be removed?

Naw, it would be better if the AI had something other then the Laws.

For example "Ther are no humans on board" well why not have the AI's Censors go offline? or have it become incapable of telling who is human or not. Heck have the Traitor register the Station's roster as Monkies effectively making the Traitor the only human and the crew as dangerous vermin.

Heck, have it become incapable of telling the difference between Oxygen or Plasma... that could do it (though I think there should be stronger push towards less of this kind of entertainment)

By your rules, surely an AI couldn't obey that at all.  I'm not seeing how your guidelines make it any more fun at all...

Smoother gameplay, creative responses, less Insta-deaths, better roleplay... Goodness no improvement at all. (I can't edit this on this computer... so It will just have to stay rude and vague.... Sorry)

Paranoia may have a lot of instant and pointless deaths but it also has clones to keep the game running smoothly. Station 13 doesn't.

I hate this computer... I can't see what I am typing when it is this far... OHH WELL MY PST ENDS HERE.