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[Untelligent]

Yeah, and how long could that take?  Nothing that can't be overcome, but nothing I'd want to have to.

It's just a tunnel we're talking about here. Dwarves dig tunnels all the damn time, why should this one be any different?

[Albedo]

Why? Oh, I dunno - because you might have better things to do upon embark instead of this, just to get that first autumn caravan.

The "difference" that you seem so aggressively blind to is that you have to do it, rather than, oh I dunno - maybe dig out your fortress?  I said it could be overcome, but for a beginning 7, that's one additional pain I wouldn't want.

But you knock yourself out.

[Nonsapient]

This is actually my standard setup.  it isn't that hard, if you're half "Untelligent" about it.

[Duke 2.0]

 Alright, lemmie lay down the facts from my tests:

 Dwarven traders always seem to come if there is a map edge. Doesn't matter if you are in the middle of the Peaks of Doom, they will come from a free map edge, or on an island as long as one map edge touches land. As far as peaks go, mountains are actually rather nice places. No real extreme elevation change. The only limitation here is the fact that you cannot grow anything. It appears the mountain biome is incapable of growing any crops. I don't know if setting crops to grow on such a biome would work, but the food shortage will be your main problem.

[Derakon]

Enh, clearing a path for the wagons is a common task for most forts. Sure there may be things I'd rather be doing, but I'm not going to base my embark location on that one-time cost. Especially since I tend to put my depot well inside the fortress, so I'll need to be clearing room for the wagons anyway.

[smjjames]

Especially in the mountains where you have to clear out those boulders. At least boulders don't grow back.

The pathing clutter caused by those boulders seems to contribute to causing those very slow caravan wagons.

[Nonsapient]

Alright, lemmie lay down the facts from my tests:

 Dwarven traders always seem to come if there is a map edge. Doesn't matter if you are in the middle of the Peaks of Doom, they will come from a free map edge, or on an island as long as one map edge touches land. As far as peaks go, mountains are actually rather nice places. No real extreme elevation change. The only limitation here is the fact that you cannot grow anything. It appears the mountain biome is incapable of growing any crops. I don't know if setting crops to grow on such a biome would work, but the food shortage will be your main problem.

Yeah.  First priority on embark is always to get a water source.  I like to embark in mountain/glacier areas,  so this involves large magma reservoirs underneath the glaciers.

One note on this:  make ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN your dwarves stay away from the ice as it is melting,  if there is any chance that the magma beneath with evaporate.  Otherwise even a depth 1 puddle will be able to instantly trap your dwarf in Carbonite Ice.  It becomes a very dangerous game of hopscotch.

Beyond that, Towercap farms are a must too.  Then you have a perfectly self-sustaining Biodome.

[Duke 2.0]

 I don't think tower-caps are much of a priority if there is no food.

[Nonsapient]

I don't think tower-caps are much of a priority if there is no food.

Well yeah,  that's what the melted glaciers are for first and foremost.  They automatically muddy the stone beneath them,  and leave a ceiling of ice above so that the area is still subterranean.

So orders of business would be

• Flood large area with glacier/river
  
  
• Find subterranean river

[assimilateur]

Wasn't it said that no crops grew on mountain biomes, regardless of water availability? So what's it gonna be? Make up your minds, people.

[Nonsapient]

You can grow plump helmets just fine in a freezing mountain biome,  provided the square is muddied.  I assure you.

[assimilateur]

OK, that's good to know.

[Opirian]

Well if you can't grow crops, its time to start a livestock farm.

and carve a trade tunnel right away, because all booze will be imported.

[smjjames]

Well if you can't grow crops, its time to start a livestock farm.

and carve a trade tunnel right away, because all booze will be imported.

If you don't have a source of fresh water, those trade caravans will be moot since they won't bring enough to sustain your fortress.

@Assimilateur: That's no plants and trees, not crops. As long as the ground is muddied, crops should grow fine.

[Derakon]

Underground crops should always grow, yes?

Edit: I was reading on page 1, didn't realize there was a second page. Boy is my face red.