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AncientEnemy

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Couple Qs
« on: May 28, 2009, 04:36:32 am »

1. will dwarves with sufficient swimming skill willingly path through waterways? or (as i somehow suspect) is the only application of swimming to get out of water they fall into?

2. will plants (not crops, shrubs/grass etc) grow on muddied rock? i.e. if i dig a shaft down from the surface (exposed to sunlight) and muddy the floor, will plants and whatnot grow?

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Re: Couple Qs
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 04:41:16 am »

1. No to your first question, yes to your second.

2. It depends on biome, I think. If you dig a shaft straight down in your heavily forested area, then you might get muddy grass. If you do it from your mountain, you won't get anything. I think.
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Re: Couple Qs
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 05:02:56 am »

2. They will never grow on biomes they weren't made for. So not in mountains and deserts. You can't change the biome.

And if it IS in the right biome, i think(but i'm not sure) it has to have a soil tile under it.
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Re: Couple Qs
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 05:11:22 am »

It doesn't need to be soil, just muddy. I remembered that I've capped magma pipes with water in heavy forests and grass grew over the muddy obsidian.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 05:15:53 am »

oh yeah, i meant in an area where flora was already growing on the surface. thx. i didn't have much hope for my magical aquatic fortress, but i would like to have some 'gardens' so to speak below surface level. i don't suppose trees will grow down there as well?

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 05:18:23 am »

You'd have to drop a full layer of soil down. Certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 05:29:41 am »

They will and won't path through water.
4/7 is high enough to count as swimming but shallow enough that they can't drown. If that is the only path to get somewhere my dwarves will act like they're looking at a wall.

I had a hallway that dipped into 4/7 water so they'd learn to swim since I'd been told they walk through it just fine. I built a row of flood tiles down the center of the hallway and as soon as it spanned the water hazard they started jogging merrily through the water they had called impassible.

Well, maybe not merrily- I got a ton of dangerous terrain job cancelations since it was a busy hall but maybe two thirds of them go through before they realized they were in deep water.
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Re: Couple Qs
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 05:41:33 am »

yeah, unfortunately my intent was to make a fort where they had to swim everywhere, with little islands for workshops/stockpiles etc. but oh well. :)

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Re: Couple Qs
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2009, 08:19:04 am »

2. will plants (not crops, shrubs/grass etc) grow on muddied rock? i.e. if i dig a shaft down from the surface (exposed to sunlight) and muddy the floor, will plants and whatnot grow?

I often dig in soil/sand, and regularly have shrubs spontaneously sprout in areas that have had their ceilings channeled out and are exposed to the light.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2009, 06:00:16 pm »

yeah, unfortunately my intent was to make a fort where they had to swim everywhere, with little islands for workshops/stockpiles etc. but oh well. :)
well if you can replicate my hallway effect in open water it might still be doable, but probably still megaproject worthy.

Hopefully in a newer version flight and swimming will be more functional.
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Re: Couple Qs
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2009, 06:06:39 pm »

1. will dwarves with sufficient swimming skill willingly path through waterways? or (as i somehow suspect) is the only application of swimming to get out of water they fall into?

If your question is - will they take a shortcut thru water when there's any other route, the answer, I believe, is "no."

If thru that water is the only route, and they are good swimmers?... dunno. Mebbe.

If you could create a world of water that's between 4/7 and 5/7, I'm sure they'd do it - and become better swimmers all the while. But aqua-dwarfs?... <shrugs>
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