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Author Topic: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!  (Read 4663 times)

Albedo

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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2009, 09:35:35 pm »

I finally stopped after i got another migrant wave and I was up to about 40 dwarfs and realized.... hey i dont have any rooms...

It's those pesky details.

But why stop? Dwarfs can sleep on the floor their first "night", and you could have a simple barracks done before then.

There are too many details to realistically expect to get them all right, and while "no rooms" is a bit of an oversight, it's not like you flooded your entire fortress.  Just another challenge, and a minor one at that.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2009, 10:18:50 pm »

No i mean i stopped smoothing the whole mountain side when i got that wave, i dug out some rooms,dinning room,food stockpile and other misc stuff after that. I don't know the exact reason i stopped, I just felt done with that site.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2009, 11:06:20 am »

You're not done until you have strip mined the entire mountain, except for a big block where your dwarves live and work.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2009, 01:14:13 pm »

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. When affected, one is unable to stop thinking about something until they complete whatever they feel compelled to do, whether that's fixing the 'problem' or an unrelated distraction. Or at least, that's my understanding.

Not quite right - OCD is a whole gamut of stuff eventually leading to anxiety-reduction by compulsive, repetitive tasks (like walking exactly 67 times around a lamp post). Wikipedia gives it a pretty good treatment if you're curious.

What most people call OCD is actually OCPD, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, an obsession with things being "right" and following rules, and can cause anxiety when they aren't or don't. An ex-girlfriend of mine from a few years ago had it, and I remember her waking up at 4am once and going to pack a corkscrew for us to take camping. Leaving it until tomorrow just wasn't an option.

Here's a great quote from wiki: "Persons with OCPD are not aware of anything abnormal about themselves; they will readily explain why their actions are rational, and it is usually impossible to convince them otherwise. Persons with OCD are ridden with anxiety; persons who suffer from OCPD, by contrast, tend to derive pleasure from their obsessions or compulsions."
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2009, 02:21:52 pm »

So some of us aren't ocd(ocpd?) at all? we are just.... what to lazy to get past a small hump?........ meh sounds about right for me.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2009, 03:19:11 pm »

Damn my OCD to hell. How many times have I abandoned a Fort because it looks "ugly" or it isn't "symmetrical" etc. etc.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2009, 03:53:52 pm »

Can't say I'm particularly curious about OCD; a bit too depressing, all things considered. Thanks for the clarification though. OCPD is a nice distinction to make.

As for digging out the entirety of each z-level, I actually meant to do it one z-level at a time, as you run out of room. Pretty much what I'm doing with my current fort, though I'm only actively digging out about a third of a 3x3 level at any given moment. Still, it's amazing how little chaos bothers me when I know I can fix it later.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2009, 04:12:35 pm »

There is a deep (and serious) truth - that any act of creation is an act of self-limitation.  By taking your imagination and applying it to the physical world (even in ascii form), you are removing the limitlessness of that imagination.  The artist paints, but is bounded by the frame.  The gamer builds a world, but is bounded by the "reality" of the world they create.

Compared to imagination, that is inevitably disappointing. So you can't compare it to a "perfect (imagined) world", you have to take it in context.

Accept it, don't fight it.

(Deep.  Deeeeeeep....)

Sweet post.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2009, 05:04:45 pm »

trying to smooth the mountainside is actually a natural reaction.

It's hard to read/use the side of a mountain because theres so much variance , and it gets very intense.

a flat cliffside is very easy to use, and memorize.

a repeatedly turning and sloped hill is very hard to plan around, unless it forms a consistent pattern.

It's like a cluttered room, you know where each little thing should be, so you don't have one giant file of "everything is in here, I just need to search it"
with only one thing, you don't have to do any searching digging or otherwise.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2009, 04:25:02 pm »

Make it a challenge - no serious terraforming.  Conform to the flow of the hillsides - make those your template. 

I actually have OCD (or maybe OCPD; it feels like a combination of both), but I rarely make any changes to the terrain once I've got my entrance dug out. If it weren't for the stone double doors and the rampant deforestation, you'd never know a fortress was there. However, I still make sure all my rooms are the exact same size and get angry when I have to choose between mining a chunk of valuable ore and not having an odd hole in the wall.

My advice is that when an unexpected terrain feature derails your carefully laid plans, spend a few minutes looking at said terrain feature. I often find that what at first looks like an architectural disaster actually turns out to be the cornerstone of one of the more awesome parts of my fortress.

For example, my first ever fortress was dug out of shale that contained large amounts of jet. The colors are very different, so I was very careful not to make any room with mismatched walls. Imagine my horror when, in the center of what was to be the main living quarters, I struck cinnabar. It was a disaster! But I really needed those rooms, and they were already half excavated, so I kept digging. I ended up with a large block of bedrooms with a thin vein of cinnabar cutting through it diagonally like a gash. The effect was quite striking, and it became my favorite spot in the fortress. All my best dwarves got half-cinnabar rooms.

On a later fortress, I experimented with building a large, subterranean tower. It was circular, with stairwells in each corner and a hollow area in the middle that was to contain a waterfall. Large hallways would branch off on each side, leading to workshops or living quarters, or whatever else that floor held. Halfway down, my miners excavating the eastern wall strike hematite. I couldn't just leave it there; it's iron. So I mined out the entire vein, and it became very clear that the symmetry of the tower was absolutely ruined. I looked at for a while, but I only slowly realized what I had: It was a long, irregular, jaggedy hallway with a bright red floor in one of the deepest areas of my fortress. I knew exactly what needed to be done.

The tunnel left behind from mining the hematite vein would become the entrance hallway to the fortress crypt. All great dwarves, whether they be struck down by battle, famine, or lifelong toil, would make their final journey down the Path of Iron Blood and be laid to rest in the Great Burial Halls beyond.

Just the thought of it is way cooler than any big symmetrical tower would be.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2009, 05:25:29 pm »

I actually have OCD...

But not, apparently, the will to avoid raising dead threads.  ;)
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2009, 08:28:12 pm »

A month dead? Sleeping perhaps. And I loved his reply. I suffer the same way and reading something like that will, I hope, help me get over my 'I haven't unpaused this in 6 months' issue.

Friggin platinum halfway down the future Great Shaft...
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2009, 10:53:43 pm »

Hrn. There was a thread as a response to this containing embark locations. Anyone know where it is? I tried searching, and stalking the author, and nothing.
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2009, 06:13:22 pm »

I actually have OCD...

But not, apparently, the will to avoid raising dead threads.  ;)

It's fair game if it's on the first page.  :P
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Re: My annoying OCD always makes me abandon forts!
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2009, 03:06:00 am »

If nonhomogenous rock is really such a big concern playing without at least modding the colors is just a bad idea.
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