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[Eagle]

I want to see one of those obscene value roasts sold to the elves. This would ultimately prove, once and for all, if giving the elves large profits will cause them to bring you hundreds of elf-tonnes of rope reed cloth.

As experience from using [NOEAT] dwarves shows, they will. I still had food come in from the caravans, and eventually i made a dwarf cook it all, then offered it all to the elves. Over ☼100,000 worth of food. The next year, they brought me at LEAST 40 screens of cloth.

So, selling one of these roasts would implode your computer the next time the elves arrived.

[Quietust]

I'm not sure if it's been pointed out, but while this experiment started using an cheat to bring tons of milk on embark, it is in fact entirely possible to do this in a legitimate fortress simply by milking lots of purring maggots and filling 4 barrels to the top with dwarven milk, likely over the course of many years (depending on how many you manage to trap).

[RandomNumberGenerator]

I'm not sure if it's been pointed out, but while this experiment started using an cheat to bring tons of milk on embark, it is in fact entirely possible to do this in a legitimate fortress simply by milking lots of purring maggots and filling 4 barrels to the top with dwarven milk, likely over the course of many years (depending on how many you manage to trap).

Can dwarven milk 'stack' after production?

[CobaltKobold]

I'm not sure if it's been pointed out, but while this experiment started using an cheat to bring tons of milk on embark, it is in fact entirely possible to do this in a legitimate fortress simply by milking lots of purring maggots and filling 4 barrels to the top with dwarven milk, likely over the course of many years (depending on how many you manage to trap).

Can dwarven milk 'stack' after production?

It's not stacked when you buy it on embark, which is what makes for the godslong ingredientlists. It's in 1-stacks but all in the same barrel.

Also, quick test with proficient cook and max-bought cow milk(yield ~370000☼)vs dwarfmilk (~270000☼)

I had an idea, which was to bring anvil and (hematite+flux+bituminous coal) and a pair of rocks with proficient blacksmith and managed to make all nine steel anvils by the time the caravan arrived...but that was only about 90k☼. (Which is plenty  t obuy out a small caravan) Slightly overcoaled the balance though, so should be would be able to squeeze in one more if I did properly.

[Sutremaine]

Got bored and did a few calculations with cheese vs. syrup in an established vanilla fortress.

A stack of dwarven cheese roast maxes out at 82,000 (50 for the meal, 2000 for the ingredients, and 40 in a stack).
A stack of cow cheese roast maxes out at 26,000 (50 for the meal, 600 for the ingredients, and 40 in a stack).
A stack of dwarven syrup roast maxes out at 99,000 (50 for the meal, 400 for the ingredients, and 220 in a stack).

Dwarven cheese roasts are the most efficient means of generating wealth, but you can make only one or two of those a year. Cow cheese roasts are comparatively low value, but require as little infrastructure as dwarven cheese roasts and the ingredients are available twice a year. A maximum-sized stack of syrup roasts will be rare indeed, but for every one of those you can make probably a dozen roasts that are still worth 50 to 75k.

[Neruz]

Remember you can pad the roasts out. For example with the Cheese roasts, replace some of those Cheese stacks with Quarry Leaves, you'll get butt-tons of roasts, which individually will be lower value, but the stack will be much larger and of greater value in total.

[Shrike]

So, for the price of one roast, the elves will mobilize their entire civilization to your fortress, bringing every scrap of cloth they've ever seen or imagined, in a caravan that will never be able to trade because the merchants will all be insane by the time the last treehugger arrives.

[florian]

Making cheese roasts is senseless, because cheese only occurs in small stacks and is fairly hard to get. Quarry bush leaves are useless as a filler. Dwarven syrup has the highest value of all fillers and occurs in stacks as high as 55, when using fertilizer and legendary farmers.

Starting farming immediately after embarking and using proficient farmers and cooks, one can generate lots of wealth before the first caravan arrives.

[Frogwarrior]

And if you use a bug I discovered that lets you make roasts with at least 5 stacks...

[CobaltKobold]

guessing it's like the fruit punch bug?

[Frogwarrior]

I don't know what the fruit punch bug is. This same bug, though, does allow me, without hacking (although I usually use Dwarf Companion to assist), to make artifacts with crazy huge numbers of materials.

[CobaltKobold]

"dwarf fruit punch" is getting the brewer to do this with the plants, so you get multiple boozetypes in a barrel.

Haven't replicated it yet though...

[Frogwarrior]

Ahhh, I think that may be the same thing - I've just posted a thread on the bug I was referring to here. I'll go test that with breweries right now.

[Cheddarius]

This is incredibly awesome.

[Frogwarrior]

To confirm - it does work on breweries. Fruit Punch Ahoy! Got a pic, even. Check the other thread.