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[Aldaris]

This is the coordination thread for the unified wolrd project, the thread with the actual maps in a semi-finished condition is here. Varrious half-finished concepts for later changes and yet-to-be aprroved changes, as well as discussion on what should go where, all belong in this thread and not in that one.
Original post below

A lot of the stories here reference the forts of other stories as presence in their universe, and becasue the world gen obviously doesn't agree with this, it might be a good idea to make our own map of the world as presented in those. It may be a good dea to assume various forts use a different year 0, so that dates don't conflict too much. If later stories want to be considered part of this world they would simply state so in the opening post.
The biggest users of this right now are Olonkulet, mentioning Nist Akath, Abbeyverse, etc. And Hindsight is Elven, but foresight is Dwarven. Which is, while playing mostly in the far future when mentioning this, still a nice thing to keep into account when making this.

Before any major effort is sunk into this, however, I'd like to know what the thoughts of the makers of those forts, and the community games and stories section in general, thinks of this idea.
End of original post.
Okay, pretty much everyone agrees on the concept. The timeline and the 3 maps are below.

Spoiler: Current timeline, WIP, long list (click to show/hide)

BAD - Before Arbitrary Date
AD - Arbitrary Date


BAD 3000 - Jreengus occurs.

BAD 2500 - The Epic Of Boatmurdered!

BAD 2000 - Copperblazes Founded

BAD 500 - Jreengus occurs.

BAD ~40 - Abbeyverse Founded

BAD ~30 - Nist Akath Founded

BAD 20 - Olonkulet Founded

BAD 19 - 'Lanternwebs' destroyed.

AD 0 - Olonkulet Sealed Away

AD 30 - Jreengus occurs.

AD 80 - Waterbore Founded

AD ~95 - Waterbore Sealed Away, meets unknown end.

AD ~135 Lanternwebs Founded

AD ~140 Nilarzes Founded, Lanterwebs & Nilarzes caught up in large-scale war with goblins.

AD 160 - Hateslaughter Founded in wake of Nilarzes/Lanternwebs' victories.

AD 600 - Jreengus cancels occurence; interrupted by Carp.

AD 700 - The Demon War

AD 710 - Oldbeard cancels unending tale; interrupted by Jreengus.

AD 1200 - Blockedlance Founded

Spoiler: Early Period BAD ~15 (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Middle Period AD ~140 (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Late Period AD ~1200 (click to show/hide)

Each period map has a list of names at the right which lists the sites in western-most to eastern-most order.

Spoiler: Various half-finished future versions of the maps (click to show/hide)

[Heron TSG]

Can Ardesfath be put on the map? Reinhammers? Flarechannel? The ruins of Boatmurdered?

[Aldaris]

Can Ardesfath be put on the map? Reinhammers? Flarechannel? The ruins of Boatmurdered?

Sure, Boatmurdered will have to be there, Reinhammer and flarechannel if the people that made them don't mind. I don't think QuantumSawdust would, and I don't know who runs Reinhammers.

[Paulus Fahlstrom]

I don't really see why this is a concern to have them referenced. The world that is generated doesn't necessarily have to 'wrap' around but rather could only be a small section of the world as a whole. If you look at the geologic areas that even large maps include they generally wouldn't even fit all of north america, much less a place like Asia.

I've considered the 'world' maps to be a subsection of the larger planet, though I know some people consider them separate worlds or alternate dimensions. (Jreengus or whatever the kobolds name is is an example of this, and there are many others.)

[MrGimp]

I like it....but how do you get them all on the same map?

[Demonic Spoon]

We invent a new dimension?

[Aldaris]

We invent a new dimension?

Pretty much, we take the direct surounding of each fort, toss them on the map, and fill in the fluff with suitable biomes.

[Katsuun]

Can Ardesfath be put on the map? Reinhammers? Flarechannel? The ruins of Boatmurdered?

Sure, Boatmurdered will have to be there, Reinhammer and flarechannel if the people that made them don't mind. I don't think QuantumSawdust would, and I don't know who runs Reinhammers.

Reinhammers would be Lord Dullard. Anyways, the idea seems ok, but there are alot of people we'd need to ask for permission...

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

The final demise of Olonkulet is apparently only 80 or so years before the Waterbore, perhaps some 150 before the asylum, and a whopping 1900 years before Blockedlance.
The beginning of Olonkulet is contemporary with Nist Akath and Abbeyverse, I think.
I think Abbeyverse is technically only a century or two after the fall of Copperblazes, since Maggarg the Elder is constantly complaining of the heat and how things wuz better when he were a lad ecetera.

[Rysith]

The final demise of Olonkulet is apparently only 80 or so years before the Waterbore, perhaps some 150 before the asylum, and a whopping 1900 years before Blockedlance.
The beginning of Olonkulet is contemporary with Nist Akath and Abbeyverse, I think.
I think Abbeyverse is technically only a century or two after the fall of Copperblazes, since Maggarg the Elder is constantly complaining of the heat and how things wuz better when he were a lad ecetera.

Olonkulet mentions Nist Akath as an established fortress, so likely a bit after its founding.

However, if by "The Asylum" you mean Nilarzes, there may be a bit of a problem: Lanternwebs was recently mentioned in Olonkulet as pre-Olonkulet (A character there came to Olonkulet after the fall of Lanternwebs), but Lanternwebs has established itself as contemporary with Nilarzes through the journeys of the Grand Army. I have a feeling that there is a way to work around that, though it might take some collaboration between the three authors.

I also suppose that this project would help prevent loops like this in the future, since it will provide a consistent history for people to place their fortresses in. I'd be happy to help.

Edit: The dwarf in Nilarzes from Olonkulet is insane anyway. It seems like a reasonable solution is (prophetic) dreams in the deranged mind of a hermit, if that seems like it would work well? That would place Lanternwebs and Nilarzes some indeterminate time before Olonkulet.

[MrGimp]

...and a whopping 1900 years before Blockedlance...

It fell 1200 years before, actually.  Mogror is rumored to be that old or older, without mentioning how old exactly.

Im down to help add Blockedlance to the project.  We can invent any old justification for timeline problems.

I didnt know you could edit fortresses in and out of world maps though.  Thats cool!  I gotta learn how to do that.

[TheNewerMartianEmperor]

Can we add the places from the saga of the demon war to the project? Oldbeard does mention Ironblood and Copperblazes after all.

[Heron TSG]

And I believe that Barbarossa's adventures with the (last?) of the dwarves should be noted.

[Iituem]

This is a bit of a spoiler, but there are very good, plot-related reasons for apparent inconsistencies in the Olonkulet thread where the date of Olonkulet's existence is concerned.


Suffice to say, Olonkulet must happen before Waterbore, but it could happen coterminously with, before or even after any or all other fortresses.  All that is known for sure is that it will seal itself off from the world and die.  Basically, don't worry about timing there.

Also, I mentioned both Abbeyverse and Nist Akath in the Waterbore thread as well, back in the day.  So in Olonkulet's time (assuming we go with its death 80 years before Waterbore) both of those are quite young forts, and by Waterbore they've been established for nearly a century.

As for Lanternwebs... nobody says the current Lanternwebs is the first town ever called Lanternwebs, do they?  Hee hee.  I'll leave that one to Rysith to figure out.


The Lanternwebs mentioned in Hateslaughter is definitely Ry's Lanternwebs, by the by, and that's after both Waterbore and Olonkulet.  Yes, I actually have an internal chronology for all three of my fortresses (and I still have the save for Hateslaughter, I can come back to that eventually, but I'll have to remake Waterbore to complete that story someday).


Probably safe to assume all 2D forts (Boatmurdered, Copperblazes) happened before any of the 3D forts, aye?  Stuff of legends and that.

[Lord Dullard]

Hm. I certainly wouldn't mind Reinhammers being added, although I'm not sure if it's worthy of being considered a contemporary of Copperblazes and some of the more long-lived community forts. Still, that would be pretty cool.