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[dakarian]

True true.

Btw, if you claim RB, go balsy, pick a random pro-town and hope they end up a RB/Ascetic/nonactioner.  If they say "I wasn't blocked" declare them a liar and push the lynch before the town thinks "if he was blocked how did the NK happen?"

Or you could just go ALL balsy and claim ALL of the kills as a Vig. 



Which makes me think of another topic: Ballsiest claim you can make as scum and how to get away with it?  Bonus points if you've done it.

I'm thinking claiming Reviver in a 6p game: kill 1, claim reviver, and let the town stew over the fact that they can't 'test the revive'.

Best I've done: Gunsmith on p5.  At lylo, claimed to have searched a dead townie and one of the survivors and saw no gun on either, then voted for the other.

[webadict]

It's about having a good partner, really. If he can stay alive until lylo, it's fine, and if his claim isn't dependent on you (That's a big no-no), then you're fine.

I claimed Townie on a set-up where it's impossible to BE a Townie, and everyone bought it. I'm not sure how that worked... Also, I've seen some gutsy claims.

Also, never claim Doctor or Cop on 3p

[dakarian]

*raises hand*  Claimed roleblocker on p3

[Leafsnail]

Didn't I lynch ya for that, Dakarian?

[Pandarsenic]

GENTLEMEN
I AM A SURVIVOR
(Alternates votes between two players until one gets lynched)

[dakarian]

You might've been one of those, Leaf.  A very Meh moment for me there.

Curious.. how would the survivor fakeclaim work if the other two are town?  Wouldn't both sit there without voting then notice and lynch the survivor?

[Leafsnail]

If you're town and survivor claims and starts random voting, you have to make a choice quickly.  Either vote the survivor or vote for the other person if you think they're the scum.  I tend to vote the other person unless the "survivor" in question is Alexhans.

[Leafsnail]

As for ballsy claims... I suppose the time I claimed Sane Cop and everyone believed me because it's too rare a role to falseclaim was one .

[Leafsnail]

!xmafia start random, anyone?

You can try testing some of these extremely ballsy claims .

[CobaltKobold]

As for ballsy claims... I suppose the time I claimed Sane Cop and everyone believed me because it's too rare a role to falseclaim was one .

On the flipside, I've claimed Doctor who protected a guy who died with no block message. (i.e. must be quack or faith healer) This sort of thing happens...more frequently than I'd like, because I get lynched for it.

[Leafsnail]

Well, sometimes being ballsy like that helps.  It's like claiming a neutral result as daycop.

[CobaltKobold]

No, no, I was ACTUALLY a quack doctor.
Funny you mention that: I got a neutral result the main time I remember being cop. I was stoned, BUT my target WAS neutral.

[Mr.Person]

One time, due to a miscommunication with my scum partner, I claimed an inspection on my partner and my partner claimed survivor. Oops. Well, one of the townies was a bus driver who claimed to bus my partner and another player. Talk about a save. I believe we won that one in the end, although I could be wrong. My memory is hazy, but the general thing is a town bus driver saved our asses and nearly cleared me (or so they thought!)

Remember that game awhile back where Mipe was an arsonist and he did the MC really fast, claimed arsonist, and killed everyone? I did the same thing a few weeks ago, except we were playing Momir, so I was on the town. My favorite part was Mipe's response: "I knew it"

[Alexhans]

Behold people... Now Presenting:  the DOC gambyt!!!

Main roles :  Alexhans & Sleeves as the scum.
Secondary roles:  Excedrin, A_Fey_Dwarf, Grant, fubarific as the town.
Guest:  Yernab as the n0 dead guy.

Setup:  MM

Spoiler: "Prelude: Night 0 Scum chat" (click to show/hide)

Session Start: vie dic 04 00:57:30 2009
[00:57] <Alexhans> oh crap
[00:57] <Alexhans> ok
[00:57] <Alexhans> we're going to buss each other
[00:57] <Alexhans> at some point
[00:57] <Alexhans> ok?
[00:57] <Sleeves> Buss?
[00:57] <Alexhans> accuse each other
[00:57] <Alexhans> if we mc
[00:57] <Sleeves> Alright
[00:58] <Alexhans> claim Doc
[00:58] <Alexhans> and Ill claim doc
[00:58] <Alexhans>  too
[00:58] <Alexhans> and we will crossvote
[00:58] <Sleeves> Alright
[00:58] <Alexhans> and the other will look town
[00:58] <Alexhans> now
[00:58] <Alexhans> dont block
[00:58] <Sleeves> I won't
[00:58] <Alexhans> kill yernab

Spoiler: "Episode 1:  Day 1, the claim" (click to show/hide)

[00:57] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Signups are over. 7 playing. Sending roles... (Setup: mm) |||
[00:57] --XylBot-- Role: Doctor (mafia). You can protect other players from kills. Each protection stops one kill, and lasts for one night. You win when you have majority and there are no other killers. The mafia are: Alexhans Sleeves.
[00:57] --XylBot-- Abilities: protect
[00:57] --XylBot-- Group abilities: mafiakill
[00:57] --XylBot-- Team members: Alexhans (Doctor), Sleeves (Godfather Roleblocker)
[00:57] * XylBot sets mode -vvvvv A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans Excedrin Grant Sleeves for #mafia
[00:57] * XylBot sets mode -vv fubarific yernab for #mafia
[00:57] * XylBot sets mode +m for #mafia
[00:57] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || It is night 0. Night ends in 180 s (or when all choices are in). Submit actions to XylBot. |||
[00:57] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Living players: A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans Excedrin fubarific Grant Sleeves yernab |||
[00:58] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Waiting for all actions... |||
[00:58] -> *XylBot* protect A_Fey_Dwarf
[00:58] --XylBot-- Action confirmed.
[00:58] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || yernab has been killed. |||
[00:58] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || yernab was a Stalker (town). |||
[00:58] * XylBot sets mode +vvvvv A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans Excedrin Grant Sleeves for #mafia
[00:58] * XylBot sets mode +v fubarific for #mafia
[00:58] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || It is day 1. It takes 4 votes to lynch. |||
[00:58] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Living players: A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans Excedrin fubarific Grant Sleeves |||
[00:58] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> ouch
[00:58] <+Grant> !xmafia help stalker
[00:58] <+Alexhans> !xmafia help stalker
[00:58] --XylBot-- Stalker (town; common; 6+ players): You can choose to either inspect someone or kill someone. Actions: inspect kill
[00:59] <+fubarific> !xmafia help stalker
[00:59] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Also it is lylo
[00:59] <+Alexhans> clearly he inspected?
[00:59] <+fubarific> aw man
[00:59] <+Sleeves> Cop+Vig?
[00:59] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> We can't nl
[00:59] <+Alexhans> or he chose to kill someone...
[00:59] <+Alexhans> no
[00:59] <+Alexhans> he mightv'e chosen to kill
[00:59] <+Alexhans> anyway
[00:59] <+Alexhans> no good
[00:59] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> WE CAN'T NO LYNCH
[00:59] <+Alexhans> Who wants
[00:59] <+Excedrin> ok
[00:59] <+Alexhans> oh
[00:59] <+Alexhans> I was going to say
[00:59] <+Alexhans> who wants to nl
[00:59] <+Alexhans> sibs?
[00:59] <+fubarific> wait, why can't we?
[00:59] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> We must MC
[00:59] <+Alexhans> hold on
[00:59] <+Sleeves> Aren't we at 6p?
[00:59] <+Grant> have to assume sibs imo
[00:59] <+Alexhans> hold on
[00:59] <+Alexhans> hold on
[00:59] <+Alexhans> no
[00:59] <+Excedrin> wait a sec before MC
[00:59] <+Alexhans> I fear survivor
[00:59] <+Excedrin> we're at 7p
[00:59] <+Alexhans> gambyt
[01:00] <+Alexhans> we are 6
[01:00] <+Grant> we're at 6
[01:00] <+Excedrin> oh
[01:00] <+Excedrin> ok
[01:00] <+Alexhans> unless you're sibs
[01:00] <+Excedrin> basically 5p then
[01:00] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> MC
[01:00] <+Sleeves> So are we at lylo or not?
[01:00] <+Alexhans> dude
[01:00] <+Alexhans> claim
[01:00] <+fubarific> MC
[01:00] <+Alexhans> first
[01:00] <+Alexhans> then we mc
[01:00] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I am sibling yes
[01:00] <+Excedrin> Sleeves: yea lylo
[01:00] <+Alexhans> good
[01:00] <+Alexhans> MC
[01:00] <+Sleeves> Oh
[01:00] <+Sleeves> Well... crap
[01:00] <+Grant> all rdy?
[01:00] <+Sleeves> Yup
[01:00] <+Alexhans> fubarific
[01:00] <+Excedrin> A_Fey_Dwarf: it would have been nice if you didn't claim before MC, but ok
[01:00] <+Alexhans> ready?
[01:00] <+fubarific> yep
[01:00] <+Grant> MC Countdown. Mass Claim on 0.
[01:00] <+Grant> 10
[01:00] <+Grant> 9
[01:00] <+Grant> 8
[01:00] <+fubarific> just writing my stuff down
[01:00] <+Grant> 7
[01:00] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Excedrin i was trying not to
[01:00] <+Grant> 6
[01:00] <+Grant> 5
[01:00] <+Grant> 4
[01:00] <+Grant> 3
[01:00] <+Grant> 2
[01:00] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> But alexhans pushed it out of me
[01:00] <+Grant> 1
[01:00] <+fubarific> Sibling to A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:00] <+Grant> 0 - Mass Claim NOW.
[01:00] <+Alexhans> Doc, protected A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:00] <+Excedrin> townie
[01:00] <+Sleeves> Doc; protected Exc n0
[01:00] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Sibling to fubarific.
[01:01] <+Grant> retired cop.
[01:01] <+Alexhans> 2 docs?
[01:01] <+Alexhans> really?
[01:01] <+Sleeves> Apparently
[01:01] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Two docs is unlikely
[01:01] <+fubarific> seems so
[01:01] <+Alexhans> why did you protect Excedrin?
[01:01] <+Grant> had a fadebot game earlier with 3 docs, 2 of them mafia
[01:01] <+Grant> it's possible
[01:01] <+Excedrin> Grant: did you become cop?
[01:01] <+fubarific> lol
[01:01] <+Sleeves> Because I thought he'd be targetted obv
[01:01] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> This isn't fadebot
[01:01] <+Grant> no, I didn't.
[01:01] <+fubarific> I thought it was?
[01:01] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> It is mm
[01:01] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> But i don't see any mm roles
[01:01] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:01] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || No one is currently voting. |||
[01:01] <+Alexhans> retired cop
[01:01] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> just normal roles
[01:01] <+Alexhans> !xmafia help retired cop
[01:01] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> !xmafia help mm
[01:01] --XylBot-- Retired Cop (town; common; 4+ players): When the cop dies, you become a Cop.
[01:01] <+Excedrin> ok
[01:01] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> yeah
[01:01] <+fubarific> !xmafia help mm
[01:01] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> No non normal roles
[01:02] <+Grant> you mean b/c yernab had inspect?
[01:02] <+fubarific> oic
[01:02] <+Excedrin> yea
[01:02] <+Grant> is that why you asked?
[01:02] <+Excedrin> yes
[01:02] <+Grant> nope =/
[01:02] <+Alexhans> mmm
[01:02] <+Alexhans> Ima do some testsetups
[01:02] <+Sleeves> A_Fey_Dwarf: Who's scum?
[01:02] <+Alexhans> I find it highly unlikely
[01:02] <+Grant> wouldn't retired cop imply a cop?
[01:02] <+Alexhans> that there are 2 docs
[01:02] <+Grant> or notnecessarily?
[01:02] <+Alexhans> but Sleeves is incapable of good scumclaims
[01:02] <+Sleeves> I'm not incapable :C
[01:02] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Sleeves well it is either alexhans orSleeves imo
[01:02] -> *XylBot* !xmafia testsetup mm 7
[01:02] -> *XylBot* !xmafia testsetup mm 7
[01:02] --XylBot-- [mm] mafia: Mafioso, Ascetic; survivor: Survivor; town: Doctor Tracker*, Cop, Nurse, Townie
[01:02] --XylBot-- [mm] mafia: Roleblocker, Tracker; town: One-Shot Cop, Vigilante, Jailkeeper*, Nurse, Townie
[01:02] -> *XylBot* !xmafia testsetup mm 7
[01:02] --XylBot-- [mm] mafia: Roleblocker, Mafioso; town: Vigilante, Retired Cop, Cop, Townie, Lesser Hot Nurse (0%)*
[01:02] <+Grant> Alexhans, we had 3 docs in a fadebot game earlier today, but had like 1 in 50 testsetups come out iwth even 2
[01:02] <+fubarific> Grant, I don't think so
[01:02] <+Alexhans> doc and nurse
[01:02] <+Excedrin> Grant: it does actually
[01:03] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> As you both claimed doc
[01:03] <+Alexhans> but not doc and doc
[01:03] -> *XylBot* !xmafia testsetup mm 7
[01:03] --XylBot-- [mm] mafia: Roleblocker, Mafioso; town: Vigilante, Vice Cop, Townie (x3)
[01:03] -> *XylBot* !xmafia testsetup mm 7
[01:03] <+fubarific> I'm pretty sure I've been a nurse before and there was no doctor...
[01:03] --XylBot-- [mm] mafia: Godfather Roleblocker*, Mafioso; town: Vigilante Inventor*, Roleblocker, Combat Medic Twin (Shellshocked)*, Townie (x2)
[01:03] <+Alexhans> ok
[01:03] <+Alexhans> lets see
[01:03] <+Excedrin> fubarific: depends on the setup
[01:03] <+fubarific> ah
[01:03] <+Alexhans> if scum is inside sibs
[01:03] <+Alexhans> this is not lylo
[01:03] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Hmm
[01:03] <+Alexhans> wiat
[01:03] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Alexhans yes
[01:03] <+Alexhans> wait
[01:03] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> But if scum isn't
[01:03] <+Alexhans> let me do the math
[01:03] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Scum will know
[01:03] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> And will kill sib
[01:03] <+fubarific> wait, are you saying one sibling could be mafia?
[01:03] <+Sleeves> I'm running testsetups to check for 2 doc's
[01:03] <+fubarific> !xmafia help role
[01:03] <+Alexhans> no
[01:04] <+Alexhans> this is lylo
[01:04] <+Alexhans> either way
[01:04] <+Grant> siblings will be obv target tonight if there's no scum in them
[01:04] <+Alexhans> we need to find scum OUTSIDE sib group
[01:04] <+Grant> if they don't die, we can assume scum in sibs.
[01:04] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Also it could be a doble doc fakeclaim
[01:04] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> But i doubt sleeves is capable of that
[01:04] <+Alexhans> both scum claiming sibs seems stupid
[01:04] <+Alexhans> and would deserve a win
[01:04] <+Grant> but yes... this:
[01:04] <+Grant> 12-03 22:04:23> <+Alexhans> we need to find scum OUTSIDE sib group
[01:04] <+Alexhans> so, yeah
[01:04] <+Sleeves> Ow, my feelings
[01:04] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Alexhans why did you force the sibling out of me
[01:04] <+fubarific> the role help says Sibling is town...
[01:04] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:04] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || No one is currently voting. |||
[01:04] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> We should have waited till MC
[01:04] <+Alexhans> Excedrin, Sleeves, Grant or me
[01:04] <+fubarific> can you have a mafia sib'd with a town?
[01:04] <+Alexhans> A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:05] <+Alexhans> I thought you might be survivor
[01:05] <+Sleeves> Fuba: Yeah
[01:05] <+fubarific> hrm
[01:05] <+Alexhans> survivor MCing would've fucked us
[01:05] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Yeah sibling is town only
[01:05] <+Alexhans> A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:05] <+Sleeves> Wait
[01:05] <+Alexhans> sibling is not town only
[01:05] <+Alexhans> anyway
[01:05] <+Sleeves> !xmafia help sibling
[01:05] <+Excedrin> one sibling is town only
[01:05] <+Excedrin> other one can be town or mafia
[01:05] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Oh right
[01:05] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> True
[01:05] <+Sleeves> Yup
[01:05] <+Alexhans> Sleeves
[01:05] <+Sleeves> Yes?
[01:05] <+Alexhans> Why arent you voting for me?
[01:05] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> That is confusing help file
[01:05] <+Alexhans> how likely do you think that there are 2 town?
[01:05] <+Sleeves> What do you mean?
[01:05] <+fubarific> [23:01:01] <fubarific> Sibling to A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:06] <+fubarific> [23:01:02] <Grant> 0 - Mass Claim NOW.
[01:06] <+fubarific> [23:01:03] <Alexhans> Doc, protected A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:06] <+fubarific> [23:01:03] <Sleeves> Doc; protected Exc n0
[01:06] <+fubarific> [23:01:03] <Excedrin> townie
[01:06] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> "Sibling (town; common; 5+ players): If your sibling dies, you die as well. Sometimes one sibling (but not both) is mafia."
[01:06] <+fubarific> [23:01:04] <A_Fey_Dwarf> Sibling to fubarific.
[01:06] <+Alexhans> what do you think about Excedrin?
[01:06] <+fubarific> [23:01:04] <Grant> retired cop.
[01:06] <+Grant> why would sleeves vote for you Alexhans?
[01:06] <+Alexhans> town docs
[01:06] <+Alexhans> Grant
[01:06] <+Alexhans> let me speak to him
[01:06] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> It is contradictory
[01:06] <+Alexhans> what do you think about the likelyhood of there being 2 town docs?
[01:06] <+Sleeves> I'm not familiar with this setup
[01:06] <+Alexhans> sigh
[01:06] <+Alexhans> Excedrin
[01:06] <+Sleeves> But from the testsetup's I'd say nearly impossible >.>
[01:06] <+Alexhans> what do you think?
[01:06] <+Grant> about the same of having 2 mafia docs imo, which I saw happen today, along with a town doc in that game.
[01:06] <+Alexhans> about Sleeves?
[01:06] <+Alexhans> and me?
[01:07] <+Grant> this is fadebot, no?
[01:07] <+Alexhans> no
[01:07] <+Alexhans> mm
[01:07] <+Excedrin> it's mm
[01:07] <+Grant> ahh
[01:07] <+Excedrin> ok so
[01:07] <+Alexhans> !xmafia votes
[01:07] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:07] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || No one is currently voting. |||
[01:07] <+Grant> it was fadebot that happened in
[01:07] <+Alexhans> it's 4 to lynch
[01:07] <+Alexhans> so you guys need to start scumhunting
[01:07] <+Excedrin> I'm not sure if you said that both sibs are town
[01:07] <+Excedrin> but I think that it's correct
[01:07] <+Sleeves> Which are sibs again?
[01:07] <+Grant> Excedrin, who do you think is scum?
[01:07] <+Alexhans> Excedrin
[01:07] <+fubarific> ok, I'm gonna throw out there that I think Grant is legit, because it would be stupid to claim retired cop and not have your scum buddy claim cop as a cover
[01:07] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Hmm
[01:07] <+Alexhans> we are not voting Sibs
[01:07] <+Alexhans> not today
[01:08] <+Excedrin> fubarific and A_Fey_Dwarf are sibs
[01:08] <+Alexhans> we need to find scum OUTSIDE sibs
[01:08] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I'm sure it has to be one of alexhans and sleeves
[01:08] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Or both
[01:08] <+Sleeves> Fuba: Wouldn't that be wifom?
[01:08] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> claiming doctor
[01:08] <+Alexhans> lol
[01:08] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> to throw us off
[01:08] <+Alexhans> that would be awesome
[01:08] <+Grant> agree with sleeve's assessment
[01:08] <+Alexhans> anyway
[01:08] <+Alexhans> I think it's Excedrin + Sleeves
[01:08] <+fubarific> I still don't get this "WIFOM" phrase you all use
[01:08] <+Excedrin> fubarific: do you understand why we couldn't NL with 6 and sibs?
[01:08] <+fubarific> lol
[01:08] <+Sleeves> Why Excedrin and me?
[01:08] <+Alexhans> Because Excedrin seems off
[01:08] <+fubarific> Excedrin, yes
[01:08] <+Grant> I don't see sleeves use the term wifom very often, if ever
[01:08] <+Alexhans> and you're 2 nd doc?
[01:08] <+Alexhans> come on
[01:08] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Hmm
[01:09] <+Grant> odd that he would throw that out there now
[01:09] <+Sleeves> I use it about 2 times a day
[01:09] <+Alexhans> But im hesitant
[01:09] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Alexhans is seems genuinely town
[01:09] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> !vote sleeves
[01:09] <+Alexhans> I want to know what Grant things?
[01:09] <+Excedrin> fubarific: but you didn't understand that before this game? (early game you seemed unsure)
[01:09] <+Alexhans> thinks
[01:09] <+Alexhans> Grant
[01:09] <+Alexhans> what do you think?
[01:09] <+fubarific> yeah, I get it now
[01:09] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> !xmafia votes
[01:09] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:09] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves - 1 (A_Fey_Dwarf) |||
[01:09] <+Excedrin> ok
[01:09] <+Grant> I think Sleeves would be a good lynch
[01:09] <+Sleeves> Oh, I'm building my own bandwagon
[01:09] <+Alexhans> mmm
[01:09] <+Alexhans> crap
[01:09] <+fubarific> the two die together at night, means that it's a tie the next day aka town loses
[01:09] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Sleeves that aint a good thing
[01:09] <+Grant> he's participating too much
[01:10] <+Alexhans> Im totally avoiding the possiblity of sib scum + outside scum
[01:10] <+Alexhans> although i dont see that very often
[01:10] <+Grant> and yeah, it's crappy to punish someone for being involved, but my meta teslls me something is us
[01:10] <+Excedrin> Alexhans: why do you think Grant is clear, considering his claim and yernab's flip?
[01:10] <+Grant> up*
[01:10] <+Alexhans> I dont think that
[01:10] <+Alexhans> I only suspect you
[01:10] <+fubarific> yernab's flip?
[01:10] <+Alexhans> and Sleeves
[01:10] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Well
[01:10] <+Alexhans> mainly for his claim
[01:10] <+Sleeves> Hm?
[01:10] <+Grant> yernab had an inspect, yet when he died, I didn't become cop
[01:10] <+Excedrin> Alexhans: why don't you suspect Grant?
[01:10] <+Alexhans> For now... I have nothing on him
[01:10] <+fubarific> ohh
[01:11] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I'm actually thinking we have sleeves and fubarific scum team
[01:11] <+Alexhans> That's why Im trying to get reads
[01:11] <+Excedrin> Alexhans: what do you have on Sleeves again?
[01:11] <+Sleeves> AFD: Why?
[01:11] <+Alexhans> Excedrin
[01:11] <+Alexhans> 2 docs?
[01:11] <+Alexhans> seriously?
[01:11] <+Grant> wait, how is stalker different than vice cop?
[01:11] <+Excedrin> that's it?
[01:11] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Excedrin they both claimed docs
[01:11] <+Alexhans> yes
[01:11] <+fubarific> I thought you had to be cop and not like, someone with inspect, to get promoted up the ranks
[01:11] <+Alexhans> pretty much
[01:11] <+Grant> !xmafia help stalker
[01:11] <+Grant> !xmafia help vice cop
[01:11] <+Alexhans> that's why i havent voted
[01:11] <+Grant> oh
[01:11] <+Alexhans> because it can happen
[01:11] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Sleeves alexhans seems townie and you are not
[01:11] <+Grant> vice cop is rb
[01:11] <+Sleeves> Alex: You're lynching me because my claim is "Scummy"?
[01:11] <+Grant> not kill
[01:11] <+Alexhans> but its very unlikey
[01:11] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> It is either you or him
[01:11] <+Alexhans> Sleeves
[01:11] <+Alexhans> Im not even voting you
[01:11] <+Alexhans> Im saying why i suspect you
[01:11] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Hmm
[01:11] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> !unvote
[01:11] <+Excedrin> ok
[01:11] <+Alexhans> and you still need to scumhunt
[01:11] <+fubarific> so anyone with inspect is considered a cop?
[01:11] <+Alexhans> and you still need to scumhunt
[01:12] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> This is quite a confusing setup
[01:12] <+Sleeves> Wait, so I'm not building a bandwagon anymore?
[01:12] <+Excedrin> Alexhans: do you see a connection to me and Sleeves?
[01:12] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> As there is no balance
[01:12] <+fubarific> and can have someone bump up into their role?
[01:12] <+Alexhans> Excedrin, not really
[01:12] <+Grant> well, that's an issue on the table fubarific
[01:12] <+Alexhans> I just find you scummy
[01:12] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> oh right stalker
[01:12] <+Alexhans> and he is null like always
[01:12] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:12] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || No one is currently voting. |||
[01:12] <+Excedrin> Alexhans: based on what?
[01:12] <+Alexhans> not much, dude
[01:12] <+Sleeves> fubarific: Who do you suspect?
[01:12] <+Grant> my experience in this game tells me no, anyone with inspect is not considered a cop
[01:12] <+Alexhans> this is experience
[01:12] <+fubarific> not sure
[01:12] <+Alexhans> I couldnt convince anyone right now
[01:12] <+Alexhans> Let me think
[01:12] <+Sleeves> What does your gut tell you?
[01:12] <+Alexhans> MY gut tells me its Excedrin
[01:13] <+fubarific> gut says Sleeves + Excedrin
[01:13] <+Alexhans> and Im doubting about Sleeves
[01:13] <+Alexhans> but I think a bit more
[01:13] <+Alexhans> that is Sleeves
[01:13] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> my gut sleeves and fubarific
[01:13] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> !vote sleeves
[01:13] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> For sure
[01:13] <+Sleeves> So everyone thinks it's me?
[01:13] <+Alexhans> Excedrin
[01:13] <+Excedrin> Sleeves: that's what it looks like
[01:13] <+Alexhans> what do you think about Sleeves?
[01:13] <+Alexhans> Sleevesl
[01:13] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> A question is two docs two sibs a stalker and a mafioso balanced?
[01:13] <+Sleeves> What!?
[01:13] <+Alexhans> who do YOU think is scum?
[01:14] <+Alexhans> A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:14] <+Alexhans> no
[01:14] <+Alexhans> there's 2 scum
[01:14] <+Sleeves> Fuba
[01:14] <+Alexhans> as sure as hell
[01:14] <+Grant> I'm kinda picking up town vibes off sleeves, sadly
[01:14] <+Alexhans> with sibs
[01:14] <+Sleeves> Sadly? :c
[01:14] <+Alexhans> that combination can only mean a lot of wifom
[01:14] <+Alexhans> and 2 scum
[01:14] <+fubarific> lol
[01:14] <+Excedrin> why mafioso?
[01:14] <+Grant> as in, I'd like to lynch you, but not feeling you're scum as of last couple minutes
[01:14] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> It is possible to have two docs as town if the sibs are town as well
[01:14] <+Alexhans> who do YOU think is scum?
[01:14] <+Alexhans> Sleevesl
[01:14] <+Sleeves> I already answered that
[01:14] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I suppose
[01:14] <+Excedrin> Grant: so, Alexhans is the scum doctor?
[01:14] <+Alexhans> who
[01:14] <+Alexhans> who did you say?
[01:14] <+Sleeves> fubarific
[01:15] <+Alexhans> lol
[01:15] <+Alexhans> !vote Sleeves
[01:15] <+Alexhans> I think you may be right
[01:15] <+Grant> I think it's within the realm of possibility that there are two docs
[01:15] <+Alexhans> AFD
[01:15] <+Excedrin> two town docs?
[01:15] <+Grant> /test mm 7
[01:15] <+Sleeves> If you think I'm right then why're you voting me? -_-
[01:15] <+Alexhans> I dont think so
[01:15] <+Alexhans> I was hesitant
[01:15] <+Alexhans> because XylBot surprises me
[01:15] <+Grant> ahh, well, put that way, meh
[01:15] <+fubarific> two docs seems possible, two town docs seems unlikely
[01:15] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:15] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves - 2 (A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans) |||
[01:15] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Yeah well two docs sort of balances out the two sibs
[01:15] <+Alexhans> but Sleeves just jumped on fubarific
[01:15] <+Grant> I suppose that would be pretty damn rare
[01:15] <+Alexhans> after AFD mentioned him
[01:15] <+Sleeves> I didn't jump on her
[01:15] <+fubarific> *her
[01:15] <+Alexhans> why not?
[01:15] <+Excedrin> A_Fey_Dwarf: why did you say:
[01:15] <+Excedrin> 20:14:03 <+A_Fey_Dwarf> A question is two docs two sibs a stalker and a mafioso  balanced?
[01:16] <+Excedrin> particularly the "and a mafioso" part
[01:16] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I meant two mafioso
[01:16] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> not a
[01:16] <+Grant> /test mm 7
[01:16] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I was thinking it was excedrin and Grant for a while
[01:16] <+Excedrin> ok, either way, how is it specifically a mafioso?
[01:16] <+Excedrin> and not some other scum role?
[01:16] <+Grant> I'm seeing some really messy testsetups
[01:16] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Because i didn't know the roles of said mafioso
[01:16] * Alexhans testsetupping
[01:16] <+Sleeves> fubarific: You're lurking more than I do
[01:16] <+fubarific> how do you test setup?
[01:16] -> *XylBot* !xmafia testsetup mm 7
[01:16] --XylBot-- [mm] mafia: Disabler Godfather*, Roleblocker Cheater*; survivor: Survivor; town: Lesser Stalker*, Hot Nurse, Retired Wolf Hunter, Townie
[01:16] -> *XylBot* !xmafia testsetup mm 7
[01:17] --XylBot-- [mm] mafia: Mafioso (x2); town: Roleblocker Retired Cop*, Cream Puff, Cop, Roleblocker, Townie
[01:17] <+Sleeves>  /msg XylBot xmafia testsetup
[01:17] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I was meaning mafioso as team not role
[01:17] <+Alexhans>  /msg XylBot !xmafia testsetup mm 7
[01:17] <+Alexhans>  /msg XylBot !xmafia testsetup mm 7
[01:17] <+Grant> /msg xylbot xmafia testsetup <setup> <players>
[01:17] <+Excedrin> A_Fey_Dwarf: it obviously depends on the roles of the mafia
[01:17] <+Alexhans> Grant, what do you think about Excedrin?
[01:17] <+fubarific> oooh neat
[01:17] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Hmm
[01:17] <+fubarific> oooh neat
[01:17] <+Alexhans> Sleeves
[01:17] <+fubarific> err
[01:17] <+fubarific> whoops
[01:17] <+fubarific> lol
[01:17] <+Sleeves> Yes?
[01:17] <+Alexhans> why are you lurking?
[01:17] <+Sleeves> I'm testsetup'ing
[01:17] <+Alexhans> ...
[01:18] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I can't make a decison on this one,
[01:18] <+Alexhans> ok
[01:18] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> But i'm reasonably sure sleeves is scum
[01:18] <+Alexhans> hint... Sleeves said fubarific was scum.... but is not voting
[01:18] <+Alexhans> he doesnt even realize I claimed doc...
[01:18] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:18] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves - 2 (A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans) |||
[01:18] <+Grant> OK
[01:18] <+fubarific> who isn't voting?
[01:18] <+Grant> 12-03 22:18:41 -XylBot- [mm] mafia: Roleblocker, Coward; town: Cop Double Voter*, Doctor, Nurse, Sibling Cop*, Doctor Sibling*
[01:18] <+Sleeves> I don't like voting on gut feeling
[01:18] <+Alexhans> he should've wondered about the setup
[01:18] <+Alexhans> really?
[01:18] <+Grant> so it is possible
[01:19] <+Alexhans> werent you the one that said
[01:19] <+Alexhans> gut on d1?
[01:19] <+Excedrin> in that setup
[01:19] <+Alexhans> locig in lylo
[01:19] <+Excedrin> it's a doctor sibling
[01:19] <+Alexhans> doc != nurse
[01:19] <+Grant> right
[01:19] <+Excedrin> slightly different
[01:19] <+Sleeves> Alex: Did I say that this game or the last game?
[01:19] <+Alexhans> last game
[01:19] <+Sleeves> We weren't in lylo then
[01:19] <+Excedrin> you won't find Doctor (x2) imo
[01:19] <+Alexhans> oh
[01:19] <+Alexhans> lol
[01:19] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> So a strong town balances out the siblings
[01:19] <+fubarific> rofl super coward cop, test setups are awesome
[01:19] <+Alexhans> you're actually right
[01:19] <+Alexhans> Sleeves is right
[01:19] <+Alexhans> guys
[01:20] <+Alexhans> XD
[01:20] <+Alexhans> we are in lylo
[01:20] <+Sleeves> I'm right sometimes
[01:20] <+Grant> right about hwat?
[01:20] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> !xmafia votes
[01:20] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:20] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves - 2 (A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans) |||
[01:20] <+Excedrin> Alexhans: you didn't know that?
[01:20] <+Sleeves> Being in lylo
[01:20] <+Alexhans> anyway
[01:20] <+Alexhans> yes
[01:20] <+Alexhans> I did
[01:20] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> yes and scum haven't double hammered
[01:20] <+Alexhans> I just questioned him wrongly
[01:20] <+Alexhans> about a phrase
[01:20] <+Alexhans> [01:18] <+Sleeves> I don't like voting on gut feeling
[01:20] <+Alexhans> çnvm
[01:20] <+fubarific> [23:20:29] -XylBot- [mm] mafia: Lesser Frame Artist Doctor*, Godfather; town: Vigilante, Retired Cop, Doctor, Combat Medic Cop (Shellshocked)*, Roleblocker
[01:20] <+fubarific> found doctor X2
[01:20] <+Excedrin> no
[01:20] <+Sleeves> That's combat medic
[01:21] <+Alexhans> and notice one is mafia
[01:21] <+fubarific> ohh
[01:21] <+fubarific> you meant X2 town
[01:21] <+fubarific> my bad
[01:21] <+Sleeves> Yes
[01:21] <+Grant> yes
[01:21] <+Excedrin> 20:39:14 -XylBot- [fadebot] mafia: Mafioso (x2); town: Timebomber, Reviver, Double  Voter, Super-Saint
[01:21] <+Alexhans> ok
[01:21] <+Alexhans> fubarific
[01:21] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Hmm
[01:21] <+Excedrin> see Mafioso (x2)
[01:21] <+Alexhans> who do you think is scum
[01:21] <+Alexhans> fubarific
[01:21] <+fubarific> moi?
[01:21] <+Excedrin> you won't find Doctor (x2)
[01:21] <+Grant> yeah, I really don't like that line,
[01:21] <+Sleeves> Excedrin: That's fadebot
[01:21] <+Alexhans> yes
[01:21] <+Excedrin> in MM setup
[01:21] <+Alexhans> you
[01:21] <+Excedrin> I know
[01:21] <+fubarific> I'm still have gut feelings on Sleeves + Excedrin
[01:21] <+Grant> you said last game d1 is all about gut, now you're saying we shouldn't go on gut, Sleeves?
[01:21] <+fubarific> but I have nothing condusive on anyone
[01:21] <+Alexhans> yes?
[01:21] <+Sleeves> WE'RE IN LYLO
[01:21] <+fubarific> aka no legit reasons
[01:21] <+Alexhans> and who would you vote?
[01:21] <+Alexhans> Sleeves or exc?
[01:21] <+Sleeves> Usually on d1 we aren't
[01:22] <+Alexhans> who's scummier?
[01:22] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Guys!
[01:22] <+Alexhans> what?
[01:22] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Scum haven't double hammered
[01:22] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> So that means sleeves is scum
[01:22] <+Alexhans> A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:22] <+Excedrin> so, it's Alexhans + A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:22] <+Alexhans> that's lame
[01:22] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Or one of alex and i are scum
[01:22] <+Grant> or that you or Alexhans is scum
[01:22] <+fubarific> tbh, I'd vote Excedrin before Sleeves just on the fact that if leave the doctors you could have both of them protect each of the sibs
[01:22] <+Alexhans> scum is lame
[01:22] <+Excedrin> or A_Fey_Dwarf + Sleeves
[01:22] <+Alexhans> we have fubarific
[01:22] <+fubarific> assuming they are legit
[01:22] <+Alexhans> we have Grant
[01:22] <+Excedrin> or Alexhans + Sleeves
[01:22] <+Alexhans> when have you seen them quickhammer?
[01:22] <+Alexhans> guys
[01:22] <+Alexhans> this is bullshit
[01:22] <+fubarific> otherwise I'd vote Sleeves first
[01:22] <+Alexhans> dont pull the "quick hammer" argument
[01:22] <+Alexhans> because it's fake
[01:23] <+Excedrin> Sleeves didn't claim SS
[01:23] <+Excedrin> nobody else claimed vig
[01:23] <+Alexhans> Excedrin
[01:23] <+Alexhans> you know damn right
[01:23] <+Excedrin> scum has no reason to slowroll
[01:23] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:23] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves - 2 (A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans) |||
[01:23] <+Alexhans> that scum is lame
[01:23] <+Sleeves> I remember when fuba and I were scumteam, took a few minutes to organize the hammer
[01:23] <+Alexhans> Sleeves and Grant missed plenty of chances to quickhammer
[01:23] <+Excedrin> if it's Grant + fubarific you should hammer
[01:23] <+Alexhans> many games
[01:23] <+Alexhans> anyway
[01:23] <+Alexhans> Excedrin
[01:23] <+Alexhans> if its them
[01:23] <+Alexhans> they probably wont
[01:23] <+Alexhans> because they suck
[01:23] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Hmm
[01:23] <+Alexhans> they will wait for half an hour
[01:23] <+Grant> I would definately have hammered if I were scum and neither sib was scum wth me
[01:23] <+Alexhans> anyway
[01:23] <+Alexhans> I still think it's Sleeves
[01:24] <+Excedrin> ...
[01:24] <+Alexhans> so tonw should slow hammer
[01:24] <+Alexhans> or whatever
[01:24] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> They don't have to hammer alexhans
[01:24] <+Excedrin> Grant: what difference does that make?
[01:24] <+fubarific> !xmafia votes
[01:24] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:24] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves - 2 (A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans) |||
[01:24] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> They can just pretend they want the lynch in a town fashion
[01:24] <+Alexhans> Grant
[01:24] <+Grant> Alexhans is suggesting I wouldn't have
[01:24] <+Alexhans> its the same thing
[01:24] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> And then the other scum partner hammers
[01:24] <+Excedrin> Grant: if you're scum with fubarific you should hammer right now
[01:24] <+Grant> I'm not tho, so...
[01:24] <+Alexhans> lol
[01:24] <+Alexhans> and Excedrin said I was scum
[01:24] <+Alexhans> with A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:24] <+Alexhans> or Sleeves
[01:24] <+Alexhans> or someone
[01:24] <+Grant> !xmafia votes
[01:24] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:24] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves - 2 (A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans) |||
[01:24] <+Excedrin> Alexhans: please read context
[01:24] <+Excedrin> Alexhans: ah
[01:24] <+Sleeves> Hold on, I gotta re-read MC
[01:24] <+Excedrin> fucking lightbulb
[01:24] <+Alexhans> and totally omitted the fact that it could be A_Fey_Dwarf + someone(anyone)
[01:25] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Excedrin?
[01:25] <+Alexhans> including him
[01:25] <+Alexhans> or me and him
[01:25] <+Excedrin> I just realized why I can't play with Alexhans
[01:25] <+Grant> I'm kinda leaning towards AFD at the moment
[01:25] <+Alexhans> or Sleeves and anyone
[01:25] <+Excedrin> it's because he doesn't read
[01:25] <+Alexhans> ok
[01:25] <+Alexhans> reading
[01:25] <+Alexhans> dude
[01:25] <+Excedrin> drives me nuts
[01:25] <+fubarific> what are we reading?
[01:25] <+Alexhans> you gave 3 choicres
[01:25] <+Alexhans> choices
[01:25] <+Excedrin> he missed the entire context
[01:25] <+Excedrin> yea
[01:25] <+Alexhans> there are a lot more
[01:25] <+Alexhans> including you scum
[01:25] * Sleeves is getting sleepy
[01:25] <+Excedrin> I was responding to A_Fey_Dwarf's assertion
[01:25] <+Alexhans> ok
[01:25] * fubarific is also very sleepy
[01:25] <+Alexhans> whatever
[01:25] <+Excedrin> that no hammer implies that Sleeves is certain scum
[01:25] <+Alexhans> Sleeves is still scum
[01:25] <+Sleeves> Awww :C
[01:25] <+Excedrin> not that I actually think those are the only scumteams
[01:26] <+Alexhans> [01:25] <+Sleeves> Awww :C
[01:26] <+Alexhans> see?
[01:26] <+Excedrin> you would get that if you read context
[01:26] <+Alexhans> he is not even denying it
[01:26] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Excedrin maybe english isn't his first language and when sentances aren't precise they are difficult to read if you are not strong with the language
[01:26] <+Excedrin> I know that
[01:26] <+Alexhans> A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:26] <+Sleeves> I was expressing my displeasure at you thinking I'm scum |:C
[01:26] <+Alexhans> its not that
[01:26] <+Grant> he did add an afterward to that, though Excedrin
[01:26] * Sajin (Sajin@ip68-2-138-137.ph.ph.cox.net) has left #mafia
[01:26] <+Alexhans> I was just moving faster
[01:26] <+Alexhans> than the game
[01:26] <+Alexhans> as I always do
[01:26] <+Excedrin> he does a good job at English tho, I think he'd get it if he read the context
[01:26] <+Grant> that it could also mean it was him or Alexhans
[01:26] * Alexhans kicks and shouts "roadhouse"
[01:26] <+fubarific> anyone have a problem if I vote Sleeves now?
[01:26] <+Alexhans> anyway
[01:26] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> You guys want to lynch me?
[01:27] <+Alexhans> fubarific needs to vote
[01:27] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I'm happy with that
[01:27] <+Alexhans> fubarific needs to vote
[01:27] <+Alexhans> fubarific needs to vote
[01:27] <+fubarific> k
[01:27] <+Excedrin> yes
[01:27] <+Alexhans> and explain
[01:27] <+fubarific> yes a problem?
[01:27] <+Alexhans> and Excedrin too
[01:27] <+Excedrin> no
[01:27] <+Excedrin> please vote
[01:27] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> As i'm thinking fubar is in the scum team
[01:27] <+fubarific> !vote Sleeves
[01:27] <+Sleeves> Woo
[01:27] <+Sleeves> !xmafia votes
[01:27] <+Alexhans> nice
[01:27] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:27] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves - 3 (A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans fubarific) |||
[01:27] <+Alexhans> reason?
[01:27] <+Excedrin> ok so
[01:27] <+Sleeves> I have my own bandwagon again
[01:27] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> But if that were the case wouldn't it be better for a nolynch to prove it?
[01:27] <+Excedrin> we can certainly say that there's a bunch of impossible scumteams, yes?
[01:27] <+Alexhans> Grant?
[01:27] <+Grant> Alexhans just seems so pro town
[01:27] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Yeah
[01:27] <+Alexhans> what do you think about L-1
[01:27] <+Grant> but I'm not getting scum vibes from Sleeves
[01:28] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Unless grant is asleep
[01:28] <+Alexhans> and no hammer?
[01:28] <+Alexhans> now is the time
[01:28] <+fubarific> explaination: 1) looool bandwagon 2) He's part of my gut feeling scum team 3) Just sending off the wrong vibes
[01:28] <+fubarific> yes I know weak reasons
[01:28] <+Alexhans> unless both scum are in his waggon
[01:28] <+fubarific> but I want to get things moving as well
[01:28] <+Excedrin> Grant: you never get scumvibes from Sleeves
[01:28] <+Sleeves> Just sending off the wrong vibes?
[01:28] <+Grant> ok
[01:28] <+Alexhans> and that would mean me + a sib
[01:28] <+Grant> that's true.
[01:28] <+Excedrin> do you?
[01:28] <+Alexhans> because both sibs scum
[01:28] <+Grant> good point Excedrin
[01:28] <+Alexhans> is crazy
[01:28] <+Grant> !vote Sleeves
[01:28] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (4 to lynch) |||
[01:28] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves - 4 (A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans fubarific Grant) |||
[01:28] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves has been lynched. |||
[01:28] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Sleeves was a Godfather Roleblocker (mafia). |||

What would happen?  Would Alexhans be able to see the gambyt through? Or would someone be bold enough to unmask him?

[Alexhans]

Spoiler: " Episode 2:  The outcome" (click to show/hide)

[01:28] <+fubarific> you can't have both sibs be scum
[01:28] * XylBot sets mode -v Sleeves for #mafia
[01:28] * XylBot sets mode -vvvvv A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans Excedrin Grant fubarific for #mafia
[01:28] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || It is night 1. Night ends in 180 s (or when all choices are in). Submit actions to XylBot. |||
[01:28] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Living players: A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans Excedrin fubarific Grant |||
[01:29] <Alexhans> protected A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:29] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Waiting for all actions... |||
[01:29] ->> Can not send to channel #mafia :Reason (Cannot send to channel)
[01:29] -> *XylBot* mafiakill Excedrin
[01:29] --XylBot-- Action confirmed.
[01:29] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Excedrin has been killed. |||
[01:29] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Excedrin was a Townie (town). |||
[01:29] * XylBot sets mode +vvvv A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans Grant fubarific for #mafia
[01:29] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || It is day 2. It takes 3 votes to lynch. |||
[01:29] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Living players: A_Fey_Dwarf Alexhans fubarific Grant |||
[01:29] <+Alexhans> ...
[01:29] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Wow
[01:29] <+Grant> OK, two options
[01:29] <+Alexhans> anyway
[01:29] <+Alexhans> MC
[01:29] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Way to WIFOM scum
[01:29] <+Alexhans> 5
[01:29] <+Alexhans> 4
[01:29] <+Alexhans> 3
[01:29] <+Alexhans> 2
[01:29] <+Grant> either a sibling is scum, or it's massive wifom
[01:29] <+Alexhans> 1
[01:29] <+Alexhans> 0
[01:29] <+fubarific> did nothing, I'm a sib
[01:30] <+Grant> still retired cop
[01:30] <+Alexhans> protected A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:30] <+Alexhans> I thought they were going to shoot A_Fey_Dwarf
[01:30] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Hmm
[01:30] <+Alexhans> Excedrin was a TOWNIE
[01:30] <+Alexhans> and scummy
[01:30] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Actually it is better for the scum to leave sibs alive
[01:30] <+Alexhans> there's only ONE scum
[01:30] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I suppose
[01:30] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Yes
[01:30] <+Alexhans> you suppose?
[01:30] <+Alexhans> in fact
[01:30] <+fubarific> yes
[01:30] <+Grant> wifom + more people to spread suspicion over?
[01:30] <+Alexhans> we were all on the waggon
[01:31] <+fubarific> actually
[01:31] <+Alexhans> all of us
[01:31] <+Alexhans> so scum bussed
[01:31] <+fubarific> if scum is in sibs, they can't kill sibs
[01:31] <+Alexhans> yes
[01:31] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> As if they leave sibs alive they still are at lylo and there are less players to choose from
[01:31] <+Alexhans> [01:29] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Way to WIFOM scum
[01:31] <+Alexhans> [01:29] <+Alexhans> 5
[01:31] <+fubarific> and if scum isn't in sibs, they can hope they live today and can take them out tonight
[01:31] <+Alexhans> why did you think it was WIFOM?
[01:31] <+fubarific> or hope they get lynched today and then they win
[01:31] <+Alexhans> straight off the bat?
[01:31] <+Grant> agree, that was rather odd.
[01:31] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Alexhans because i was expecting to die
[01:31] <+Alexhans> didnt you think fubarific was scum?
[01:32] <+Grant> why wouldn't you suspect your sibling of being scum?
[01:32] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Yeah,
[01:32] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Alexhans exactly
[01:32] <+Grant> ?
[01:32] <+fubarific> ?
[01:32] <+Alexhans> then why did you think you were going to die?
[01:32] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> If you were scum
[01:32] <+Alexhans> fubarific scum cant kill you
[01:32] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> You would have killed excedrin
[01:32] <+Alexhans> good point
[01:32] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (3 to lynch) |||
[01:32] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || No one is currently voting. |||
[01:32] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> As that way the feild is not as narrrowed down
[01:32] <+Alexhans> do you think that WIFOM holds?
[01:32] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> And it is still lylo
[01:32] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> And that the sibs will be suspect
[01:32] <+Alexhans> Grant
[01:33] <+Alexhans> what do you think?
[01:33] <+fubarific> well it's lylo regardless
[01:33] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I'm thinking it is grant
[01:33] <+Alexhans> mmmm
[01:33] <+Alexhans> Grant
[01:33] <+Grant> I'm torn between whether it's a sibling, or wifom, as to why the sibs are still alive
[01:33] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> As alexhans is semi clear after claiming doc with sleeves
[01:33] <+Alexhans> dude
[01:33] <+Alexhans> AFD
[01:33] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> But that leaves fubarific as well
[01:33] <+Alexhans> you looked so town yesterday
[01:33] <+Grant> it's worth noting that we've got a 50% chance of lynching scum if we lynch sibs
[01:33] <+fubarific> if we lynch not sibs, sibs die tonight, mafia wins, if we lynch sibs, and it's wrong than we lose
[01:33] <+Alexhans> but now
[01:33] <+Alexhans> you worry the hell out of me
[01:33] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> And i don't know if grant is smart enough to do that
[01:34] <+fubarific> blah
[01:34] <+Alexhans> dude
[01:34] <+Alexhans> it comes down to this
[01:34] <+Alexhans> if we think is Grant
[01:34] <+Alexhans> lynch Grant
[01:34] <+Alexhans> if not lynch sibs
[01:34] <+Alexhans> if you think its me
[01:34] <+Alexhans> you suck
[01:34] <+fubarific> lol
[01:34] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Actually
[01:34] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> You could be pulling a double doc gambit
[01:34] <+Grant> Alexhans is pretty clear
[01:34] <+Grant> imo
[01:34] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Look at your reaction yesterday
[01:34] <+fubarific> can you have a mafia cop?
[01:35] <+Alexhans> AFD
[01:35] <+fubarific> aka would explain why Grant hasn't become cop?
[01:35] <+Alexhans> id like you to set your mind
[01:35] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Listne me out
[01:35] <+Alexhans> are you sure entirely that is not fubarific?
[01:35] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> If both scum were to discuss it
[01:35] <+Grant> hmm... should've looked for retired cops in testsetups
[01:35] <+Alexhans> are you sure entirely that is not fubarific?
[01:35] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (3 to lynch) |||
[01:35] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || No one is currently voting. |||
[01:35] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> They could both claim doc
[01:35] <+Alexhans> Yes.. nice tactic
[01:36] <+Alexhans> so
[01:36] <+Grant> which would seemingly clear the other if one got caught
[01:36] <+Grant> meh
[01:36] <+Alexhans> AFD
[01:36] <+Alexhans> tell me
[01:36] <+Alexhans> do you think that's what happened?
[01:36] <+Alexhans> is fubarific town?
[01:36] <+Alexhans> in your opinion?
[01:36] <+fubarific> Sleeves was never pushing for Alexhans to get lynched instead of him was he?
[01:36] <+fubarific> (maybe I'm tired and don't remember)
[01:36] <+Alexhans> guys...
[01:36] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Hmm
[01:36] <+Grant> rereading
[01:36] <+Alexhans> fubarific
[01:36] <+Alexhans> if you're tonw
[01:37] <+Alexhans> let AFD
[01:37] <+Alexhans> vote
[01:37] <+fubarific> I'm town
[01:37] <+Alexhans> first
[01:37] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Alexhans I think fubar is scum
[01:37] <+Alexhans> mmm
[01:37] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> There was a famous law that states what ever explaination is the simpelest
[01:37] <+fubarific> I'm 100% town, so much that I thought sibs was town only
[01:37] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Is probably the correct one
[01:37] <+fubarific> when I did my role help
[01:37] <+Alexhans> fubarific
[01:37] <+Alexhans> do you think A_Fey_Dwarf is town?
[01:37] <+fubarific> I have no idea, maybe?
[01:37] <+Alexhans> do you think I pulled a doc gambyt as AFd says?
[01:37] <+Alexhans> what about Grant?
[01:38] <+Grant> 12-03 22:22:21> <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Scum haven't double hammered
[01:38] <+Grant> 12-03 22:22:27> <+A_Fey_Dwarf> So that means sleeves is scum
[01:38] <+Grant> (was followed up with comment that it could mean he or Alexhans was scum, but after the fact)
[01:38] <+fubarific> you all seem equally suspect to me
[01:38] <+Grant> plus the wifom comment
[01:38] <+Grant> fos afd
[01:38] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Here Occam's razor
[01:38] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
[01:38] <+Alexhans> fubarific, when did you start suspecting Sleeves?
[01:38] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (3 to lynch) |||
[01:38] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || No one is currently voting. |||
[01:38] <+fubarific> right now my scum sensing list goes AH > Grant > AFD
[01:38] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Simplest explaination is that fubar is scum and didn't kill the sibs because he would die
[01:38] <+Alexhans> fubarific?
[01:39] * Kevylin (none@pool-71-112-113-21.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #mafia
[01:39] <+Alexhans> that means  Im most town or most scum?
[01:39] <+fubarific> ?
[01:39] <+fubarific> most scum
[01:39] <+Alexhans> ok
[01:39] <+Alexhans> so your sib is the last guy youd lynch
[01:39] <+Alexhans> right?
[01:39] <+Alexhans> he is the most town?
[01:39] <+fubarific> I guess so
[01:39] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Alexhans
[01:39] <+Alexhans> what?
[01:39] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Haha you got her
[01:39] <+fubarific> I'm town
[01:39] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> !vote fubarific
[01:39] <+Alexhans> the nice thing here
[01:39] <+fubarific> I don't care how scummy that sounds
[01:39] <+Alexhans> is that I suspect you 2
[01:39] <+Alexhans> more than Grant
[01:39] <+Grant> k
[01:39] <+Alexhans> so Im fairly good with lynching you
[01:40] <+Alexhans> Grant
[01:40] <+Alexhans> what do you think?
[01:40] <+Grant> I think it's afd, so I'm fine with a fubar lynch
[01:40] <+Alexhans> why did you vote last?
[01:40] <+Alexhans> why did it take so long to vote Sleeves¿
[01:40] <+Grant> b/c Excedrin pointed out that I never think Sleeves is scum
[01:40] <+Grant> which was a very valid point
[01:40] <+Alexhans> rephrase please
[01:41] <+fubarific> lol
[01:41] <+Grant> I had said I wasn't getting scumvibes from sleeves
[01:41] <+Grant> Excedrin pointed out that I almost never do
[01:41] <+Grant> this had not occurred to me
[01:41] <+fubarific> anyways, back to earlier question, Sleeves was acting scummy, he does this thing where he celebrates his bandwagons when he is scum (or so I have found)
[01:41] <+Grant> logic said it must've been sleeves though
[01:41] <+fubarific> so yeah, that's why I started suspecting him
[01:41] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (3 to lynch) |||
[01:41] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || fubarific - 1 (A_Fey_Dwarf) |||
[01:41] <+Grant> b/c Alexhans was acting way too town to be scum imo
[01:41] <+Alexhans> I was reading back
[01:41] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Die my sister
[01:41] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> !vote fubarific
[01:41] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> !vote fubarific
[01:41] <+Alexhans> and Grant seemed one of the only guys
[01:41] <+fubarific> rofl
[01:41] <+Alexhans> who had thought about 2 docs
[01:41] <+fubarific> A_Fey_Dwarf, I hope you arne't town
[01:42] <+fubarific> because otherwise you are condemning us to lose
[01:42] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> fubarific but i am town
[01:42] <+Alexhans> fubarific
[01:42] <+Alexhans> Grant
[01:42] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> And you are scum
[01:42] <+fubarific> no I'm not
[01:42] <+Alexhans> why did you think that 2 docs was a possibility?
[01:42] <+Grant> I thought we were playing fadebot
[01:42] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> Alexhans i am sure i explained that
[01:42] <+Alexhans> fubarific
[01:42] <+Grant> and I saw 2 mafia docs + 1 town doc earlier today in fadebot
[01:42] <+Alexhans> if you say you're town
[01:42] <+Alexhans> who's scum
[01:43] <+Alexhans> and why
[01:43] <+Grant> I changed my mind once I realized it was mm
[01:43] <+Alexhans> why arent you voting me, for instance?
[01:43] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> I thought the two docs would cancel out the negative of the sibs
[01:43] <+Alexhans> didnt you say that I was scummiest?
[01:43] <+Alexhans> What about my claim?
[01:43] <+fubarific> Alexhans, because I'm sure that would look like me "retaliating without cause" or something and would result in me getting lynch
[01:43] <+Alexhans> do you remember the mc?
[01:43] <+fubarific> and therefore A_Fey_Dwarf being lynched
[01:43] <+Grant> mk, gonna' vote
[01:43] <+fubarific> and therefore town losing
[01:43] <+Grant> !vote fubarific
[01:43] <+Alexhans> dude
[01:43] <+Grant> so Alexhans is clear
[01:43] <+Alexhans> i dont undestand you
[01:43] <+Alexhans> fubarific
[01:44] <+Alexhans> if you think Im scum
[01:44] <+Alexhans> you should vote
[01:44] <+Alexhans> me
[01:44] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> woah l-1
[01:44] <+Alexhans> !vote fubarific
[01:44] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (3 to lynch) |||
[01:44] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || fubarific - 3 (A_Fey_Dwarf Grant Alexhans) |||
[01:44] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || fubarific has been lynched. |||
[01:44] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || fubarific was a Sibling (town). |||
[01:44] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || A_Fey_Dwarf has committed suicide. |||
[01:44] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || A_Fey_Dwarf was a Sibling (town). |||
[01:44] <+A_Fey_Dwarf> alexhans is clear
[01:44] * XylBot sets mode -vv A_Fey_Dwarf fubarific for #mafia
[01:44] * XylBot sets mode -m for #mafia
[01:44] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Game over! Winners: (mafia: Alexhans Sleeves) |||
[01:44] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || mafia: Alexhans (Doctor) Sleeves (Godfather Roleblocker) |||
[01:44] <@XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || town: A_Fey_Dwarf (Sibling) Excedrin (Townie) fubarific (Sibling) Grant (Retired Cop) yernab (Stalker) |||
[01:44] * XylBot sets mode -vv Alexhans Grant for #mafia
[01:44] <Sleeves> :O
[01:44] <A_Fey_Dwarf> Fuck
[01:44] <fubarific> ...
[01:44] <Grant> fuck
[01:44] <Alexhans> fuck
[01:44] <A_Fey_Dwarf> I told you
[01:44] <fubarific> told. you. so.
[01:44] <Alexhans> Sleeves
[01:44] <Excedrin> called it
[01:44] <Sleeves> We was doing a gambit
[01:44] <Alexhans> come here
[01:44] <Alexhans> we wonn
[01:44] <A_Fey_Dwarf> And everyone shruged it off
[01:44] <fubarific> lol
[01:44] * Alexhans ^5 sleeves
[01:44] <Sleeves> c:
[01:44] <Grant> wp
[01:44] <Alexhans> next time
[01:44] <Alexhans> cross vote
[01:44] <Excedrin> A_Fey_Dwarf: I called it prev day
[01:44] * Sleeves hugs Alex ^^
[01:44] <Alexhans> or be a bit more active
[01:44] <Alexhans> A_Fey_Dwarf suspected
[01:44] <Alexhans> because you never reacted
[01:45] <Alexhans> but
[01:45] <Alexhans> anyway
[01:45] <Alexhans> it's a win
[01:45] <Alexhans> it's going to the mafia thread
[01:45] <Alexhans> AFD
[01:45] <Sleeves> I knew you could do it c:
[01:45] <Alexhans> remember that we talked about this?
[01:45] <Alexhans> yesterday?
[01:45] <A_Fey_Dwarf> Damn you occam's razor
[01:45] <Alexhans> yesterday?
[01:45] <A_Fey_Dwarf> No
[01:45] <Excedrin> what a useless scumrole
[01:45] <Alexhans> we totally did
[01:45] <Excedrin> in that setup
[01:45] <yernab> that blew
[01:45] <A_Fey_Dwarf> Alexhans no i didn't
[01:45] <yernab> !xmafa start assassin
[01:45] <Alexhans> was it mr?
[01:45] <Alexhans> mrp?
[01:45] <Alexhans> anyway
[01:45] <yernab> !xmafia in
[01:45] <Alexhans> gotta go to sleep
[01:46] <Alexhans> I've been scum all day

Spoiler: "comments" (click to show/hide)

This is a great gambyt.  Even if there's another doc.  You can still win by lynching the wrong one.  It could be made, with less risk.  By claiming doc + nurse.  But it sets a much bigger link between the 2 people. 

Doc + Doc.  Demands balls and good acting.  You can't be too sure nor beat around the bush too much.  Sleeves inoperation was later latched to myself.  People suspected the gambyt because sleeves never attacked me.  That was unlike himself.

Rule of mafia:  Be yourself unless (it's not convinient). 

I hope you liked it.

See ya.

By the way.  I'm usually town.  But this is funnier.