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Author Topic: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?  (Read 12018 times)

Leafsnail

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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2009, 05:58:13 am »

It depends.  If they like violence, a list of things that happen in Adventurer mode could be enough.

"Friend cancels play dwarf fortress: bored
The friend's head flies off it a bloody arc!"
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2009, 08:41:15 am »

Here's what I've found to be useful; warn them beforehand about "lame" graphics. They'll assure you that they aren't that shallow (EVERY HUMAN BEING WILL DO THIS), and proceed to download the game. They then feel obliged to play, because they don't want to look like both shallow and lying jerks. This worked on my family, and then it worked on my friends. I think I found the ultimate solution. 8)
This works surprisingly well.

The other alternative is to point them at some of the more spectacular community fortresses or show them an adventurer getting eviscerated in loving detail.

If they are fans of fictional worlds with lots of depth, show them the legends section, and let them know it was all randomly generated and its a new world every time.

And finally resort to our last refuge if all else fails. "It's only an alpha version."  ;)
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2009, 08:47:13 am »

I thought you were suggesting we use the magma on everyone around toady to get him to have a FELL MOOD.

Won't work.  He is a hardened individual.

I once yelled at a friend's party about how much I hated immigrants because they came and ate all my food an drank all my beer.
That did not convinced any of the people there, most of them being Asians and Indians and all that. I got a big awkward silence out of it.
And I looked even more of an idiot when trying to explain myself with descriptions of the game.
I think I should have just kept my mouth shut and remained perceived has a huge racist.

Also, I think I'm starting to annoy my coworkers with my constant blabbering of what goes on in my fort.
I'm probably being worst than those other guys who keep talking about WoW and their leet PVP skills.

I'm the perfect example of doing it wrong.  :-\

Good lord.  Yeah, I DFangelize only to close friends who are also gigantic nerds.  That seems to work okay.
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2009, 09:00:27 am »

I'd agree with referring them to Boatmurdered and generally telling them some of the crazy stuff that goes on without getting into the mechanics of the game. They may be motivated to play long enough to find out what you're talking about and before they know it, they're hooked.

Things like adventure mode are hard to get into without being told the horrible things you can do, the same probably goes with fortress mode. The first time I heard about DF was in r.g.r.n with someone mentioning the 'unique' combat mechanics and that got me to look into it.

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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2009, 09:02:13 am »

It helps if just from time to time you launch into complex narratives of fencing, fighting, torture, revenge, giants, monsters, chases, escapes, true love, miracles...

then at the end cite Dwarf Fortress as the source.
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2009, 11:02:28 am »

I've introduced it to two friends so far.  One of them had too short an attention span, wheras the other read Boatmurdered and thought it sounded awesome.  He likes it.
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2009, 12:53:59 pm »

Linking them to the illustrated tutorial that was on the forum not long ago is also a good idea; this way, for their first playthrough, they don't have to bother with technical details, like how to install a tileset or get the intro movie to stop playing.

EDIT: Also, world-generating and site-finding when you don't understand a thing of what is going on is a real pain in the ass. Here's the tutorial.
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2009, 01:29:30 pm »

I wrote this elaborate email to my friend trying to get him into DF. He admittedly doesn't have time to play any games. The graphics and interface are the biggest problems in introducing people to DF. But that is beating a dead horse. Here is the email I sent him, changed around a bit, I'm not smart enough to create a hyperlink in a forum post without the web address showing. So I had to re-add the links.

It is directed towards someone who is more graphically minded, so I tell him to download the Mayday set after watching the intro. Please don't throw me into a magma chamber.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Dwarf Fortress needs a public relations department. Basically, we need to hi-jack DwarfFortress.com and have a similiar description to what I said in the email. Directions to resources, articles, everything a newbie needs to get intersted and play the game. Once that is up and running I have half a mind to make business cards and pamphlets that simply saw www.dwarffortress.com and hand them out to strangers who may appear to be inclined to like this type of game. don't hold me to that. I'm always just all talk.

If anyone has suggestions on how to make this message more convincing don't hesitate to let me know and I can add it in. Also, I know there are more articles out there, I just didn't have the patience to hunt them all down, but if you post them here I will add them.
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2009, 02:20:14 pm »

Your talk of handing out business cards triggered an idea: we could try to start a world-wide viral (i think that's appropriate) ad campaign for dwarf fortress! Randomly rent billboards and put something like this on them:
Spoiler: 3 minutes in MSpaint (click to show/hide)

Everyone try to get/make t-shirts with the same design on them (not necessarily my design, but something similar and vague).

Anyone here a graffiti artist? ;D

Most half-baked idea i've had in months... but it just might be crazy enought to work.
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2009, 02:34:42 pm »

I find the use of "buzzwords" and hot phrases to be helpful: 

"kitten-tallow execution tower"

"orbital magma cannons"

"CARP oh jeeezus we're dead..."

Ask them for the most outrageous thing they can think to do in a game (e.g. "pave the sky with obsidian!") and then tell them "in DF, you can do that."

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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2009, 02:53:12 pm »

Blah blah blah

Great picture

Blah blah

I totally approve of this, although I'd just put stickers and/or sheet of paper, instead of paint. We're kitten-killers, not vandals.
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2009, 03:03:57 pm »

I'd say simple is best, for things like DF t-shirts. People don't want to walk about with an advert on their front, but a pixelated dorf-asci could look pretty cool. Toady should start a cafe-press or something, it'd pay for coffee.

Still, I figure Dwarf Fortress reaches a pretty enormous number of people as is. It's only really an attractive prospect for those that can stand looking at ASCII.

I've tried to persuade my friends a few times - they really like the idea, and are totally enthusiastic, until they see it. Then they go 'holy moley', and run for the hills.
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2009, 04:01:03 pm »

Get them to read boatmurdered.... it works

Quoted for truth. The first time I played Df I only put up with floundering around in it for 30 minutes before quitting and leaving it alone for a month. It was only after I read the Boatmurdered saga that I gave it another shot and started to love it. There were some tutorial videos on youtube that were really helpful for the first couple days of playing too.
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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2009, 04:29:20 pm »

It may take a few tries.  I know I downloaded and played it a few times before something just "clicked" for me and I got addicted.

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Re: Help Convincing Friends to play Dwarf Fortress?
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2009, 04:33:33 pm »

I've read all these reasons as to why people get into DF. Did anyone else just saw someone playing this and fell in love when they said what they were doing? (I saw someone playing this at a LAN party and thought he was hacking the server or something  :P)

I managed to get one guy to try this by telling him how I turned one of my nobles into drawbridge paste.
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