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[Craftling]

Actually this pretty much has to go in. Have you seen the features of this game?

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 Dwarf Fortress is a single-player fantasy game. You can control a dwarven outpost or an adventurer in a randomly generated, persistent world.

Although Dwarf Fortress is still in a work in progress, many features have already been implemented.

    * The world is randomly generated with distinct civilizations spanning over 1000 years of detailed history, dozens of towns, hundreds of caves and regions with various wildlife.
    * The world persists as long as you like, over many games, recording historical events and tracking changes.
    * Command your dwarves as they search for wealth in the mountain.
          o Craft treasures and furniture from many materials and improve these objects with precious metals, jewels and more.
          o Defend yourself against attacks from hostile civilizations, the wilderness and the depths.
          o Support the nobility as they make demands of your populace.
          o Keep your dwarves happy and read their thoughts as they work and relax.
          o Z coordinate allows you to dig out fortresses with multiple levels. Build towers or conquer the depths.
          o Build floodgates to divert water for farming or to drown your adversaries.
          o Much much more...
    * Play an adventurer and explore, quest for glory or seek vengeance.
          o Meet adversaries from previous games.
          o Recruit people in towns to come with you on your journey.
          o Explore without cumbersome plot restrictions.
          o Seamlessly wander the world -- up to 197376 x 197376 squares total -- or travel more rapidly on the region map.
          o Accept quests from the town and civilization leaders.
          o Retire and meet your old characters. Bring them along on an adventure with a new character or reactivate them and play directly.
          o Z coordinate allows you to move seamlessly between dungeon levels and scale structures fighting adversaries above and below.
    * The combat model uses skills, body parts, wrestling, charging and dodging between squares, bleeding, pain, nausea, and much more.
    * A dynamic weather model tracks wind, humidity and air masses to create fronts, clouds, rain storms and blizzards.
    * Over two hundred rock and mineral types are incorporated into the world, placed in their proper geological environments.
    * Add new creatures, weapons, plants, metals and other objects via modifiable text files.
    * Extended ASCII character set rendered in 16 colors (including black) as well as 8 background colors (including black).

Floodgates! Nobles! Happy Dwarves! And now to add more suspense, action and drama, PIPING! and REAL WASTE SYSTEMS!

[Byakugan01]

As a mater of fact, we do already have pipe sections in the game, so logically the dwarves should have plumbing to take care of waste disposal and be able to provide running water-or, if the needs called for it, magma. Just turn on the faucet to drown the intruders! So you can choose between massive projects of digging or piping-or a combination-for waste disposal. And we are missing thieve's guilds. Those are part of almost every fantasy setting, and what better place for that than the sewers.

Edit: And the thieves guilds themselves would actually make the fortress guard NECESSARY. Right now, the only use is when a tantrum spiral begins and you have a chance to cut it off. Potentially.

[Pilsu]

Thieves' Guild is a pretty silly concept

[Silverionmox]

Thieves' Guild is a pretty silly concept

Organisations like the 'ndrangheta, cosa nostra or the mob aren't unusual. Thieves' guilds are usually ridiculously easy to find and bargain with in most rpg's though. The title guild also gives them a sense of respectability and officialness that they, by definition, shouldn't have.

[Craftling]

Gangs of Thieves not theives guild. Different gang factions would live in the sewer, having turf wars and etc. Until the sewers flood or the police arrive.

[Byakugan01]

Thieves guild would not be open about their trade-for obvious reasons. For the same, they would also either bribe your guards or hide where they would have difficult being found-and the sewers are the best bet for that.

Even if sewage PROPER isn't implemented, there should be a need to design a waste disposal system-which criminal elements may take up residence in.

[Silverionmox]

Those gangs would be expected to dig out their own hideout, or at least the secret entrance to it. Would we like that? Would we like to keep it hidden from us? It could be like the soon to be underground features, but generated during the game, if there are criminal dwarves. The player would then depend on his detective dwarfs, or accidentally tunnelling into the secret hideout, like the old HFS, to discover it.

[ArkDelgato]

Having dwarves in the , say, third generation of migrants start to use alibi's (make rock door) while, say, grabbing gold coins from the treasury and hiding them in a stealthed off-shoot cave while the player is none the wiser would be sexually pleasurable.

When videogames get this advanced, someone is doing something right.

[eerr]

the only problem with theivery is that it's too difficult to hide.

mostly because of the users over-arching omniscience

[ArkDelgato]

in a large fortress, calling it "bring item to stockpile" while stealing
and when selling the ill gotten goods at trade time "bring item to depot"
would hide it pretty well.

The player would need to randomly select peasant #126 to see where he is actually going.

I think it could work.

[Byakugan01]

If the guilds can build their own (hidden) entrances, this could obviously work. Should we make a separate suggestion thread for this?

[sonerohi]

Having dwarves in the , say, third generation of migrants start to use alibi's (make rock door) while, say, grabbing gold coins from the treasury and hiding them in a stealthed off-shoot cave while the player is none the wiser would be sexually pleasurable.

When videogames get this advanced, someone is doing something right.

Toadyone is going to be sued for so many ruined keyboards by the time v1.0 comes out.

[Tenebrais]

Having dwarves in the , say, third generation of migrants start to use alibi's (make rock door) while, say, grabbing gold coins from the treasury and hiding them in a stealthed off-shoot cave while the player is none the wiser would be sexually pleasurable.

When videogames get this advanced, someone is doing something right.

Toadyone is going to be sued for so many ruined keyboards by the time v1.0 comes out.

Toady One will have at least two cults worshipping him by the time v1.0 comes out.

[Urist McDetective]

The player would then depend on his detective dwarfs

I knew, sooner or later the suggestion would be made. I just didn't think I would somehow be related to poop handling when it happened.

[Felblood]

I'd like to sewer sewers go in eventually, but I want them to be a late game sort of thing, and I want to see armies and diplomacy first.

Just dumping the stuff outside should be sufficient for starting fortresses, but as you crowd more dwarves in the same vertical space increasingly elaborate solutions should become necessary. Of course, then I'm going to have to start playing chasm maps more often...

The king should demand only the finest of bathrooms, complete with golden bathtub. --hot, fluffy towels a plus.

Wait, how are common dwarves going to clean and wash themselves without sinks and washtubs?

Dwarves need public baths that they can use (for a fee, once the economy starts up). Each room needs to have only one tub though, so dwarves don't have to be put out by exposure to nudity.