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[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Can't I just report them to some authority?  Suing costs more money then I was going to spend on the games.

[Yanlin]

Afaik, ESRB is a -guideline-. You can buy an M game for your teenager kid. The said teenager kid can buy a M rated game himself as well.

Unless there's a law that allows them to deny you service based on your age, you can sue them.

There is. Basically, if you walk into a shop and the shopkeep wont sell you something, it's his right. He doesn't have to provide a reason.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Technically it's not age discrimination because they refused me service based on the fact that I didn't have an ID, not based on my age.

[Yanlin]

Again, still perfectly legal. Age discrimination is silly. If you're 20-60, you should be assumed to be normal. Anything out of that deserves some sort of inspection.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Again, still perfectly legal. Age discrimination is silly. If you're 20-60, you should be assumed to be normal. Anything out of that deserves some sort of inspection.

I'm not saying it's illegal, just a much stronger word for idiotic.

[Soulwynd]

Afaik, ESRB is a -guideline-. You can buy an M game for your teenager kid. The said teenager kid can buy a M rated game himself as well.

Unless there's a law that allows them to deny you service based on your age, you can sue them.

There is. Basically, if you walk into a shop and the shopkeep wont sell you something, it's his right. He doesn't have to provide a reason.

It's illegal in brazil.

But then again... It's brazil.

[ToonyMan]

Two words.  Funcoland.

[Ampersand]

I don't think they should be carding people for T rated games. M rated games, that's another matter. I believe they do have to card you for those, at most places, but T rated games? They're usually more tame than a PG-13 rated movie.

[beorn080]

They are carding for teen games now. Great.

How is a 13 year old supposed to get an ID. The only two I know of that are available are passports and county IDs, and how many people know about county IDs.

[Hawkfrost]

But..but..but... if I boycott them how am I supposed to get Thief 3 for Xbox?

[ToonyMan]

You don't, you play Dwarf Fortress.

[MrWiggles]

Afaik, ESRB is a -guideline-. You can buy an M game for your teenager kid. The said teenager kid can buy a M rated game himself as well.

Unless there's a law that allows them to deny you service based on your age, you can sue them.

That would be interesting test case for industry voluntary guide lines.

It would have ramification on all media industry. If you won, then it would let let 17< into nc-17 (rare, but that would be the ramification).

It would possibly even affect pornography age resctrition laws.

On a personal thing, please don't sue the ersb. Their a small non profit group doing there best to stop state regulation from all media. We don't need FCC for video games, music, or movies. Hell, we don't need it for tv and radio. (They should stick to the their actually much needed job, of regulating the em bandwidth.)

[beorn080]

Afaik, ESRB is a -guideline-. You can buy an M game for your teenager kid. The said teenager kid can buy a M rated game himself as well.

Unless there's a law that allows them to deny you service based on your age, you can sue them.

That would be interesting test case for industry voluntary guide lines.

It would have ramification on all media industry. If you won, then it would let let 17< into nc-17 (rare, but that would be the ramification).

It would possibly even affect pornography age resctrition laws.

On a personal thing, please don't sue the ersb. Their a small non profit group doing there best to stop state regulation from all media. We don't need FCC for video games, music, or movies. Hell, we don't need it for tv and radio. (They should stick to the their actually much needed job, of regulating the em bandwidth.)

AFAIK, the R rating is enforced by law. In addition, I think M rated games get covered by obsenity laws, but I am not sure on that one. I do know that any store can refuse service, it just has to be across the board. Discrimination for age is reasonable in the eyes of the law. Just look at those 16 year olds being prosecuted as adults for trasmitting naked pictures of themselves.

For the porn, your NEVER going to get that law changed, even though its silly.

I must agree with the not suing the ESRB. They are pretty much the last thing left before gaming becomes as bad as movies with ratings.

[Random832]

AFAIK, the R rating is enforced by law. In addition, I think M rated games get covered by obsenity laws,

Obscenity is actually illegal, it's not an age restriction category. And anyway, If the ratings were enforced by law, they'd have to be set by the government rather than by an industry association.

There _are_ laws about distributing content that is "harmful to minors", which is the basis for the age restriction on pornography, but - again - that's determined on the specific merits of the content if it goes to court; not based on ratings that may have any number of unrelated criteria

*I'm not a lawyer

[MrWiggles]

Afaik, ESRB is a -guideline-. You can buy an M game for your teenager kid. The said teenager kid can buy a M rated game himself as well.

Unless there's a law that allows them to deny you service based on your age, you can sue them.

That would be interesting test case for industry voluntary guide lines.

It would have ramification on all media industry. If you won, then it would let let 17< into nc-17 (rare, but that would be the ramification).

It would possibly even affect pornography age resctrition laws.

On a personal thing, please don't sue the ersb. Their a small non profit group doing there best to stop state regulation from all media. We don't need FCC for video games, music, or movies. Hell, we don't need it for tv and radio. (They should stick to the their actually much needed job, of regulating the em bandwidth.)

AFAIK, the R rating is enforced by law. In addition, I think M rated games get covered by obsenity laws, but I am not sure on that one. I do know that any store can refuse service, it just has to be across the board. Discrimination for age is reasonable in the eyes of the law. Just look at those 16 year olds being prosecuted as adults for trasmitting naked pictures of themselves.

For the porn, your NEVER going to get that law changed, even though its silly.

I must agree with the not suing the ESRB. They are pretty much the last thing left before gaming becomes as bad as movies with ratings.

No its not. The MPAA rating system is very similar ERSB, in that it up to the theater to follow them. Completely voluntary. Now, no theater will accept a movie without an MPAA rating, much how major retailers won't sell games without an ERSB rating.

However, my independent movies, or independent games don't need a rating. (On how its voluntary even if the distribution centers require it.)



I'll through this out there, why is the age requirement silly for porn?

Admittedly I've been looking at porn since I was 14. However, being older I can recognized it as being inappropriate for minors.