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[0x517A5D]

Goddamn! Is that a vector-based roguelike? Downloading.

This "Triangle Wizard" looks quite, quite interesting.  And I think I'll give it a whirl when I abandon my current fortress.

But is it a roguelike?  Not in my opinion.

Why?  It's realtime.  To me, the "unlimited time to think" is a fundamental part of the genre.

(Also, ADOM sucks, and Crawl rules.)

[getter77]

Goddamn! Is that a vector-based roguelike? Downloading.

This "Triangle Wizard" looks quite, quite interesting.  And I think I'll give it a whirl when I abandon my current fortress.

But is it a roguelike?  Not in my opinion.

Why?  It's realtime.  To me, the "unlimited time to think" is a fundamental part of the genre.

(Also, ADOM sucks, and Crawl rules.)

Well, there IS something of a trick there.  Any action happening off screen is frozen in time, so like the typical Roguelike adage of "Turn=Stuff happens someplace" with this "Sight=Stuff happens someplace".  So, run into an unexpected enemy?  Quickly get them off screen and take time to think...nothing can come after you from offscreen.

Meh, Baroque, this, and Dicin' Knight are plenty Roguelike for me.  To each his or her own though.

[Alexhans]

Whoever says ADOM sucks has never, ever tried to program...

ADOM is AWESOME!!! you might like crawl more but you can't just say ADOM sucks. 

[ToonyMan]

I'll vote for whoever says that sucks.

[cowofdoom78963]

I personaly never cared for crawl, as it seemed to be made with no love. ADOM may not be perfect, but thats what I like about it.

and at least its not angband, that game was god-awful.

[Creamcorn]

Ah jeez, damn humans always so opinionative. Oh well, we wouldn't be very far in our potential if that weren't so but jeeeeeeezuz give it a break, I first intended this topic to be in defense of ASCII not about ADOM.

It was first intended to be on how greatly detailed an ASCII game is!(guess I didn't make that clear)

[ToonyMan]

ASCII ARE DEATIAL.

[Creamcorn]

ASCII ARE DEATIAL.

Thank you Mr. Man.

[inaluct]

and at least its not angband, that game was god-awful.

I agree.

Anyway, I like the fact that Crawl was made with no love. It reminds me of my childhood. *sob*

[Eagle]

Im surprised no ones mentioned NetHack yet. Thats the only one ive actually played for any length of time, and its still hilarious.

"You kick the door! It crashes open!"
"You kick the wall! Ouch! ....Your leg feels better now."
"Really eat Fuzzy McKitten, pet? Y/N"

Hmm, i need DF graphics in NetHack...that would make it so much more playable.

[inaluct]

Honestly, Nethack with Crawl's UI would be a dream come true.

[Enzo]

and at least its not angband, that game was god-awful.

I agree.

Well, at least we have some common ground here. Angband variants always make me throw up a little into my mouth when I try them.

Ah jeez, damn humans always so opinionative. Oh well, we wouldn't be very far in our potential if that weren't so but jeeeeeeezuz give it a break, I first intended this topic to be in defense of ASCII not about ADOM.

But...did it need defending in the first place? DF players tend to have an uncommon fondness for ASCII, and acknowledge that Toady did an absolute top-notch job with it...There was no embryonic argument in your first post, so we got sidetracked when one presented itself. It happens.

[Creamcorn]

Ah jeez, damn humans always so opinionative. Oh well, we wouldn't be very far in our potential if that weren't so but jeeeeeeezuz give it a break, I first intended this topic to be in defense of ASCII not about ADOM.

But...did it need defending in the first place? DF players tend to have an uncommon fondness for ASCII, and acknowledge that Toady did an absolute top-notch job with it...There was no embryonic argument in your first post, so we got sidetracked when one presented itself. It happens.
[/quote]

Grumble grumble

True, so let's move along now! Since everybody now feels like preaching about rouge likes, than let's talk about how immersed we get with their graphics! I already went, so the floor is open for anybody.

[ductape]

roguelikes suck.

its really just your imagination that makes it good. otherwise its just a bunch of math and ascii.

[Alexhans]

But not having to waste time rendering and drawing gives you more time to design and code the complex stuff that roguelikes have and other games dont.  Almost everything goes to gameplay.  Instead of 3d animation.

That, I think, is what makes this games so great.