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[kaian-a-coel]

Statistic say there are less than 20 million users.

https://minecraft.net/stats

That's a lot in capes to sell (if stat page were accurate I admit it seems low)

That's only PC users, counting consoles and android there's more than 54 million copies sold. That doesn't mean 54 million users however, as the most sold version is the $6 portable one, which is likely owned in addition to the PC/console version by a lot of people.

[evilnancyreagan]

Okay, there seems to be a current thread of discussion going on, but I kinda have a question: Anybody here know the ins and outs of 1.8's customized worldgen thing? Trying to make a flooded sort of map that doesn't go to the insane levels of the water world preset. Just something I could use for an adventure map. Sea level's not an issue so much as biome stuff (Trying to cut out cold ones) and having consistent 'shallows'.

Try this

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

{"coordinateScale":60.0,"heightScale":60.0,"lowerLimitScale":100.0,"upperLimitScale":100.0,"depthNoiseScaleX":60.0,"depthNoiseScaleZ":60.0,"depthNoiseScaleExponent":0.5,"mainNoiseScaleX":500.0,"mainNoiseScaleY":30.0,"mainNoiseScaleZ":500.0,"baseSize":8.0,"stretchY":30.0,"biomeDepthWeight":1.0,"biomeDepthOffset":0.0,"biomeScaleWeight":1.0,"biomeScaleOffset":0.0,"seaLevel":63,"useCaves":true,"useDungeons":true,"dungeonChance":8,"useStrongholds":true,"useVillages":true,"useMineShafts":true,"useTemples":true,"useMonuments":true,"useRavines":true,"useWaterLakes":true,"waterLakeChance":4,"useLavaLakes":true,"lavaLakeChance":80,"useLavaOceans":false,"fixedBiome":-1,"biomeSize":4,"riverSize":4,"dirtSize":33,"dirtCount":10,"dirtMinHeight":0,"dirtMaxHeight":256,"gravelSize":33,"gravelCount":8,"gravelMinHeight":0,"gravelMaxHeight":256,"graniteSize":33,"graniteCount":10,"graniteMinHeight":0,"graniteMaxHeight":80,"dioriteSize":33,"dioriteCount":10,"dioriteMinHeight":0,"dioriteMaxHeight":80,"andesiteSize":33,"andesiteCount":10,"andesiteMinHeight":0,"andesiteMaxHeight":80,"coalSize":17,"coalCount":20,"coalMinHeight":0,"coalMaxHeight":128,"ironSize":9,"ironCount":20,"ironMinHeight":0,"ironMaxHeight":64,"goldSize":9,"goldCount":2,"goldMinHeight":0,"goldMaxHeight":32,"redstoneSize":8,"redstoneCount":8,"redstoneMinHeight":0,"redstoneMaxHeight":16,"diamondSize":8,"diamondCount":1,"diamondMinHeight":0,"diamondMaxHeight":16,"lapisSize":7,"lapisCount":1,"lapisCenterHeight":16,"lapisSpread":16}

as for the nixing the cold biomes, you can either have just one type or all types. Unfortunately, you can't cherry pick them, however. Using "fixedBiome":6 would generate a Swampland only world that would meet your criteria for a warm, shallowly flooded map.

[Putnam]

Expansion packs based off licensed stuff, merchandising, cartoons, there's a lot they could do.

[Vorthon]

Okay, there seems to be a current thread of discussion going on, but I kinda have a question: Anybody here know the ins and outs of 1.8's customized worldgen thing? Trying to make a flooded sort of map that doesn't go to the insane levels of the water world preset. Just something I could use for an adventure map. Sea level's not an issue so much as biome stuff (Trying to cut out cold ones) and having consistent 'shallows'.

Try this

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

{"coordinateScale":60.0,"heightScale":60.0,"lowerLimitScale":100.0,"upperLimitScale":100.0,"depthNoiseScaleX":60.0,"depthNoiseScaleZ":60.0,"depthNoiseScaleExponent":0.5,"mainNoiseScaleX":500.0,"mainNoiseScaleY":30.0,"mainNoiseScaleZ":500.0,"baseSize":8.0,"stretchY":30.0,"biomeDepthWeight":1.0,"biomeDepthOffset":0.0,"biomeScaleWeight":1.0,"biomeScaleOffset":0.0,"seaLevel":63,"useCaves":true,"useDungeons":true,"dungeonChance":8,"useStrongholds":true,"useVillages":true,"useMineShafts":true,"useTemples":true,"useMonuments":true,"useRavines":true,"useWaterLakes":true,"waterLakeChance":4,"useLavaLakes":true,"lavaLakeChance":80,"useLavaOceans":false,"fixedBiome":-1,"biomeSize":4,"riverSize":4,"dirtSize":33,"dirtCount":10,"dirtMinHeight":0,"dirtMaxHeight":256,"gravelSize":33,"gravelCount":8,"gravelMinHeight":0,"gravelMaxHeight":256,"graniteSize":33,"graniteCount":10,"graniteMinHeight":0,"graniteMaxHeight":80,"dioriteSize":33,"dioriteCount":10,"dioriteMinHeight":0,"dioriteMaxHeight":80,"andesiteSize":33,"andesiteCount":10,"andesiteMinHeight":0,"andesiteMaxHeight":80,"coalSize":17,"coalCount":20,"coalMinHeight":0,"coalMaxHeight":128,"ironSize":9,"ironCount":20,"ironMinHeight":0,"ironMaxHeight":64,"goldSize":9,"goldCount":2,"goldMinHeight":0,"goldMaxHeight":32,"redstoneSize":8,"redstoneCount":8,"redstoneMinHeight":0,"redstoneMaxHeight":16,"diamondSize":8,"diamondCount":1,"diamondMinHeight":0,"diamondMaxHeight":16,"lapisSize":7,"lapisCount":1,"lapisCenterHeight":16,"lapisSpread":16}

as for the nixing the cold biomes, you can either have just one type or all types. Unfortunately, you can't cherry pick them, however. Using "fixedBiome":6 would generate a Swampland only world that would meet your criteria for a warm, shallowly flooded map.

I actually managed to get a decent map on my own. No nearby frozen areas, etc. Decent shallowness (Still in the 30-40 block range, but still. Better than 100 blocks. :V). Currently putting together a ship of sorts for the whole thing to start on.

[Chiefwaffles]

Alright, I've got it. The next update is obvious:
"ALL NEW! Now you can craft your very own XBOX ONE™ ingame! Play very fun games like HALO 5™ and more!"

But more seriously, I'd just expect smaller things like mojang accounts/whatever being switched to Microsoft accounts, a MS logo when starting up.
Maybe a bigger team. That would actually be nice (probably), seeing how long they took for 1.8.

[SealyStar]

So thirty pieces of silver is 2.5 billion now. Inflation, huh?

[Karkov]

You're not accounting for the fact that a single silver coin (about 1 oz., which sells for roughly $20.72) is slightly more valuable than a dollar.  Doing a quick, rough estimate of dollars to silver and we get 120,656,370.65 silver coins.  Roughly 7.5 million pounds of silver.

Betrayal got expensive, man.

... Suddenly I'm curious as to how many blocks of silver in Minecraft that would equate to.

[Aklyon]

Which mods' silver? I bet theres at least two mods that use it.

[Karkov]

I'm... Not sure that would matter.  Wouldn't you just get the weight of pure silver and calculate the weight of one meter cube with it?  Hold on and I'll go find out, roughly, what that would equate to.

EDIT:  If I did my math correctly, which I'm not quite certain I did, one cubic meter of silver is roughly 23255.81 lbs.  So if we take the earlier 7.5 million (7,541,023.17) lbs of silver that Microsoft bought Mojang for, the number of silver blocks it took for the purchase is about 324.26.

... I'm pretty sure there's someone, somewhere who has played enough modded Minecraft to have that and much, much more just lying in an ME system somewhere.

[Chiefwaffles]

I doubt Microsoft would even add paid DLC. By now, they should know enough to not screw up something which they just paid an extreme amount of money for.

[Levi]

Crappy Math time with Levi!

2.5 billion dollars.  Minecraft.

Lets say they make a Minecraft 2.

They would need to sell 42 million copies of Minecraft 2 at 60 dollars a copy to recoup that cost(not including development of MC2).   
Minecraft sold 52 million copies (estimated according to wikipedia).


So the way I see it, is selling that many copies at 60 dollars seems unlikely, so they pretty much either are hoping for a LONG running minecraft franchise or a Minecraft 2 with lots of expansions/dlc/microtransactions.

[SealyStar]

Crappy Math time with Levi!

2.5 billion dollars.  Minecraft.

Lets say they make a Minecraft 2.

They would need to sell 42 million copies of Minecraft 2 at 60 dollars a copy to recoup that cost(not including development of MC2).   
Minecraft sold 52 million copies (estimated according to wikipedia).


So the way I see it, is selling that many copies at 60 dollars seems unlikely, so they pretty much either are hoping for a LONG running minecraft franchise or a Minecraft 2 with lots of expansions/dlc/microtransactions.

That's the same thing that comes to mind for me. Ignoring any ethical questions or concerns about what Microsoft is gonna do wit the game, it doesn't make any business sense from their perspective unless they have a really awesome plan that they haven't let us in on.

[Orange Wizard]

That sounds a little convoluted to be an effective marketing strategy. And reputation doesn't change because you spent two and a half billion on it. Then you just became the guy who spent two and a half billion trying to change your reputation.

[nenjin]

To note, Minecraft is actually getting used in schools as a teaching tool as well. Maybe that's Microsoft's angle. Right now you just buy the alpha and pfffttt. Imagine licensing fees for non-private use. Imagine all the shenanigans MS can engage in with their own Minecraft servers running in their cloud. Maybe they think they can leverage a lot out of it on XboxLive. I don't think it all equals $2.5 billion, that number still boggles the mind. But there's more ways to make money on MC than just selling the title to a public who, I'd think, is already quite saturated by it.

Having never played MC nor really felt the desire to, it seems very strange to me all around. But maybe I don't get how popular it is/can still be, despite reading all the news about it. Still, I'd think what's popular about MC is that it's open, fan-driven and managed for the most part. People like having their own Minecraft servers. Adding MS into the mix, a lot of that disappears. Now you're not playing "teh peoples" game, now you're playing MS's game. That's probably arbitrary in the end, but still. It's a decision and an amount on MS's part that has me confused.

Having a boss who owns his own company and has thought about what his magical number for selling out is, maybe Mojang just said something absurd and MS took it whole hog. But given how much he's acted like being successful has been a burden, who knows.

[Aklyon]

Yes, but I don't see a way they can get back a 2.5 billion dollar investment through minecraft alone.

Unless it's... oh god, they're artificially inflating it to drive speculation! It's actually Zimbabwe dollars!

Nah, you'd probably need at least three more zeroes to count it in zimbabwe dollars