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[Rose]

Actually I was more thinking about the hue and cry about pistons not launching people in the air.

[TolyK]

Oh. Well I don't really care about that.

Akhier, same thing with IC's UU-matter. Except diamonds are still very hard to make (stack of coal a piece...)

[LoSboccacc]

I just love that no mod does anywhere near that. Even EE which is the closest has been balanced beyond relief in isolation, when used with other mods it starts to become a bit OP but that makes it more OP. You don't HAVE to make diamonds with it do you?

with the EE rabdomant stuff you don't really need to make diamonds, you can find them pretty easily, along with gold and stuff.

[iceball3]

Oh. Well I don't really care about that.

Akhier, same thing with IC's UU-matter. Except diamonds are still very hard to make (stack of coal a piece...)

Don't forget the initial investment of the machinery, then adding in the energy costs for processing, macerator and compressor, yah?

Actually I was more thinking about the hue and cry about pistons not launching people in the air.

Anyone caring about the pistons no longer doing that has pretty much long ended, and even back then I wasn't really concerned with it! ^o^/

[iceball3]

I thought this was the vanilla minecraft thread...

As much as there is a modded minecraft exclusive thread, I don't see anything in the OP or the title stating it's vanilla discussion only.

[iceball3]

we made an agreement to separate minecraft vanilla and minecraft modded. this is the vanilla, the minecraft major mods thread is the modded discussion.

Then the OP has to be updated to reflect that. The OP is like, the finalization of what we should be doing in a thread, so that someone's got something to point back to when they wanna inform others to take their discussion elsewhere. Without it, why, nobody would be valid in their complaints!
*Waits for someone to pester rhodan, the actual thread starter, into changing the op*

[Briggsy16]

we made an agreement to separate minecraft vanilla and minecraft modded. this is the vanilla, the minecraft major mods thread is the modded discussion.

I demand a signed copy of this agreement good sir!

[Devling]

I hate the later versions not because of the ravines, the mines and pistons, but:

Villages - Paths are borked. I'm sorry if that wasn't clarified in the previous post, but yeah, the village gravel roads are almost always unaligned, requiring some work in order to make it not look like crud.

Endermen - Because they pick up blocks? Fortunately, the nerf has significantly lowered the amount of blocks they pick up. Basically, in the old versions, given enough time, endermen could totally level a chunk. Now, they can only destroy mud huts and gardens. Wouldn't be a problem, honestly if they dropped the block they were holding, which is something they don't do.

The End - It was honestly lacking, and the Enderdragon just bumped into you as a means of attack. Would be fun if it had more attacks, but right now, it's more or less a battle of attrition. Oh, and endereggs have no use.

More meta stuff:

Block IDs - Only applicable to people who install mods, but the fact that the ID limit increase is already there, but the game thinks it doesn't exist kind of sucks. Personally, I don't hate this much, but yeah, for mod players, this really limits their own choices.

Current snapshot stuff:

SSP+SMP merge - Oh come on, I don't want to play multiplayer while I singleplayer.

Enderchests - Can only contain one inventory per world, which means that in servers, you can only make 1 mega storage (by this, I mean a warehouse hub, much like a bank), and even then, someone with enderstorage could intercept your item trade to someone else. Don't mind this much, personally.

Villages - So wait, having villages makes your world WORSE? They need work but, what? The paths are weird a lot, but that doesn't mean it makes the game WORSE.

Endermen - Thats been fixed, and honestly I never had it happen to me (although I know its happened to other people).

The End - Again, it being there makes the game worse? A optional thing, that has no effect on the rest of the game, which is in essence just more content makes the game worse? whaaaaaa?

Blocks ID - That's a bug, so It'll probably be fixed.

SSP+SMP merge - We have NO idea what this means. Honestly, all we have now is speculation. Please don't freak out at speculation. IF something happens that you don't like, then say something about it (again, makes the game WORSE not just another feature which you don't have to use).

Enderchests - Again, another extra feature that you don't have to use. Its an option if you want it, and if you don't use the mod or just don't use it at all.

[iceball3]

Villages - So wait, having villages makes your world WORSE? They need work but, what? The paths are weird a lot, but that doesn't mean it makes the game WORSE.

Endermen - Thats been fixed, and honestly I never had it happen to me (although I know its happened to other people).

The End - Again, it being there makes the game worse? A optional thing, that has no effect on the rest of the game, which is in essence just more content makes the game worse? whaaaaaa?

Blocks ID - That's a bug, so It'll probably be fixed.

SSP+SMP merge - We have NO idea what this means. Honestly, all we have now is speculation. Please don't freak out at speculation. IF something happens that you don't like, then say something about it (again, makes the game WORSE not just another feature which you don't have to use).

Enderchests - Again, another extra feature that you don't have to use. Its an option if you want it, and if you don't use the mod or just don't use it at all.

For me personally, it's not that the updates made the game worse, they made it better a bit I guess. They just tend to turn up disappointing compared the hype that's raised surrounding them just before the updates involved usually. I could care less about ender chests though and endermen were probably one of my favorite updates.
I'm honestly a little concerned that they'll put the block ids thing on the backburner for a while now.

[Devling]

Villages - So wait, having villages makes your world WORSE? They need work but, what? The paths are weird a lot, but that doesn't mean it makes the game WORSE.

Endermen - Thats been fixed, and honestly I never had it happen to me (although I know its happened to other people).

The End - Again, it being there makes the game worse? A optional thing, that has no effect on the rest of the game, which is in essence just more content makes the game worse? whaaaaaa?

Blocks ID - That's a bug, so It'll probably be fixed.

SSP+SMP merge - We have NO idea what this means. Honestly, all we have now is speculation. Please don't freak out at speculation. IF something happens that you don't like, then say something about it (again, makes the game WORSE not just another feature which you don't have to use).

Enderchests - Again, another extra feature that you don't have to use. Its an option if you want it, and if you don't use the mod or just don't use it at all.

For me personally, it's not that the updates made the game worse, they made it better a bit I guess. They just tend to turn up disappointing compared the hype that's raised surrounding them just before the updates involved usually. I could care less about ender chests though and endermen were probably one of my favorite updates.
I'm honestly a little concerned that they'll put the block ids thing on the backburner for a while now.

Yeah I know what you mean, but the Minecraft team doesn't need all the hate they get for adding new features.
Its either,
"Mods did it better"
or
"Not enough stuff"

Also, anybody excited about Renewable Cookies? And writable books?
That was in a snapshot a while ago though, so everybody probably already talked about that.

[Briggsy16]

I don't really care about vanilla additions. Id rather they focused on a proper modding API and sorting out performance issues.

I just think there's pretty much a mod for every conceivable idea so any addition they do will be met with 'the mod is better!'

[TolyK]

Vanilla cocoa trees are nice.
But what briggsy said, mostly. Minecraft's technically a very awesome Garry's mod, with support for children.

[Devling]

I don't really care about vanilla additions. Id rather they focused on a proper modding API and sorting out performance issues.

I just think there's pretty much a mod for every conceivable idea so any addition they do will be met with 'the mod is better!'

Wait, so you want the team that made the game to stop making the game, so they can let other people make the game.
What? 

[Karnewarrior]

There don't seem to be many seeds for 1.2.5, at least that I can find.

I'm looking for one that spawns a village nearby a stronghold. I'm having trouble genning it myself, mostly because for some reason my computer hates genning underground buildings? I can't find dungeons, mineshafts, anything.

I did find one that seems to have worked well enough, but I swear that damn ravine the Stronghold connects to is moving. IT's visible from the surface but once I get underground I dig and dig and can't find it, and when I return to the surface and find it again I'm digging the wrong way...

The Enderravine.

[Briggsy16]

I don't really care about vanilla additions. Id rather they focused on a proper modding API and sorting out performance issues.

I just think there's pretty much a mod for every conceivable idea so any addition they do will be met with 'the mod is better!'

Wait, so you want the team that made the game to stop making the game, so they can let other people make the game.
What? 

I explained exactly what I wanted... I want a proper modding API and the team to improve the performance for the game. I don't really think Vanilla needs any massive gameplay improvements.